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Old 08-15-2009
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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Right.

But the dog doesn't see the difference. The dog doesn't know that the adult knows better and the child doesn't. All it knows is that its' tail is being pulled. Yet, you're willing to shoot the dog for reacting how it would in the case of either one taunting it, only when the child does it.

That's inconsistent...



Which would suggest that the kid did something to the dog to cause the dog to react as a dog will react. Something so removed from the norm for your dogs should be, I would think, something that would require a little investigation before killing the dog.

if the kid was eating a piece of watermelon while sitting in the sandbox and the dog came up and bit him, I have no problem with shooting the dog. If the kid was trying to ram the piece of watermelon up the dog's ass, I don't know that I would expect the dog to act any differently than it did...
You have some good points, however I am who I am and will not have a dog that bites one of my GK reguardless.
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

I don't see why owners can't always be responsible for their dogs. I have a dog (red heeler x staffy cross) and she is in a fully fence yard. Every time I take her for a walk she is on a lead. As I approach people I shorten her lead or get off the footpath and allow them to pass without obstruction. If you're going to have the responsibility of being a pet owner then you have to take the responsibility to ensure that no one is inconvenience by your choice.
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You have some good points, however I am who I am and will not have a dog that bites one of my GK reguardless.
I don't necessarily agree, but fair enough...
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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Until about 6 months ago I had 3 Rot/Labs. I now have 2. They were all well behaved and very protective and very big. My 6 grandkids were visiting and one dog bit my 3YO grand son on the leg. When we got back from the Dr's house, 2 stitches and no real damage. I took my .45 and put a ball round thru the dogs head. I didn't ask nor cared what the child did or didn't do, I will not have a dog that bites a child.
When my kids were in grade school one of my daughter's friends was attacked by the family dog. Same fate happened to it. Father took down the gun and shot that sucker right there on the spot.
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Well since just today an 8 yr old was badly attacked and required two surgeries by yet another pit bull....I believe there should be extended penalities including manslaughter with serious prison terms.
Seem over the top? Try telling that to the parents of a dead child who was playing outside and a neighbors pit escaped and crushes her skull.
You own one of them f*cking things...you accept the penalty that may come with it.
I was attacked once by a neighbor's dog. My father took down the rifle and went to the neighbor's house and shot the dog. They, as well as my father, had seen the attack and they did nothing to stop it. They also did nothing when he shot the dog. (Lucky for THEM!) The thing that is so bad right now, is that I am afraid of most dogs and have been since the day the dog attacked me. They sense my fear and act up, too. My neighbor across the street has two dogs who never make a peep. But one WILL bark at me occasionally. Not often, thoug. When I was carrying my son a neighbor's German Shepherd cornered me snarling and baring his teeth. The neighbor gave the dog to a warehouse owner in town. A few months later the warehouse burned down and burned up the dog. I wasn't sorry. I thought that thing was going to kill me.


Here is a website that you will like: All Dogs Bite
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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I don't see why owners can't always be responsible for their dogs. I have a dog (red heeler x staffy cross) and she is in a fully fence yard. Every time I take her for a walk she is on a lead. As I approach people I shorten her lead or get off the footpath and allow them to pass without obstruction. If you're going to have the responsibility of being a pet owner then you have to take the responsibility to ensure that no one is inconvenience by your choice.
A dog is personal property, just like your car. You are responsible for your car. Why not your dog?
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They, as well as my father, had seen the attack and they did nothing to stop it.[/URL]
Why in the fuck would your father have done nothing to stop the attack?

if I were you, I'd probably be more afraid of your father's inaction than I would be of the uncertainty regarding whether or not a dog might bite me...
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Why in the fuck would your father have done nothing to stop the attack?

if I were you, I'd probably be more afraid of your father's inaction than I would be of the uncertainty regarding whether or not a dog might bite me...
I was referring to the neighbors. My father did. He ran the dog off me then he went and got his gun.
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Here is a website that you will like: All Dogs Bite
So, if all dogs bite, why would anyone own them?

That link is woefully lacking in information. Case in point, let's look at the first entry under April 2005:

"Chow attacks"

Wow. How compelling.

I had a dog that would attack the beam of a flashlight. The fact that a "Chow attacks" means nothing. There's no information to explain what led the attack. Did the dog just walk up to someone and start mauling them? Did the dog attack someone who was attacking its' owner?

Honestly, if you're going to post a link, it's simply a common courtesy to see to it that the link is worth a damn...
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I was referring to the neighbors. My father did. He ran the dog off me then he went and got his gun.
Oh, got it...
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

Mrs M, back to your link, this has got to be the funniest listing:

"Chihuahua terrorizes mail carrier"

I was unaware that the USPS permits complete pussies to be mail carriers...

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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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A dog is personal property, just like your car. You are responsible for your car. Why not your dog?
Exactly! It's the lack of personal responsibility that is perhaps the greatest threat to modern society.
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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I just want to make sure I understand you correctly:

If my buddy's Pit Bull was to attack someone who was attacking my buddy, you would hold my buddy responsible for the injuries sustained by the attacker?
That is a strawman argument, and in no way addresses the point.

Pit bulls kill. 82% of the fatalities are small children.
We are not talking about protection of an owner, we are talking about unprovoked attacks by these very specific breeds.
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Re: The One Bite Rule....

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So, if all dogs bite, why would anyone own them?

That link is woefully lacking in information. Case in point, let's look at the first entry under April 2005:

"Chow attacks"

Wow. How compelling.

I had a dog that would attack the beam of a flashlight. The fact that a "Chow attacks" means nothing. There's no information to explain what led the attack. Did the dog just walk up to someone and start mauling them? Did the dog attack someone who was attacking its' owner?

Honestly, if you're going to post a link, it's simply a common courtesy to see to it that the link is worth a damn...
There are stories of dog attacks all over the internet. I will look some of them up later, but today I'm busy having the flu.

And I have owned a chihuahua, and the CAN inflict some fairly serious damage.

As to who gets to carray the mail,I have never seen a civil service ad that said "no pussies allowed."
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That is a strawman argument
That's an odd way of saying "I'd rather not address your valid point, Steve"...

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and in no way addresses the point.
If we're going to discuss the people that dogs bite, let's discuss everyone they bite, and let's discuss the reasons they bite them.

Don't get me wrong; I'm no fan of Pit Bulls. But all too often, people are willing to see a dog put down just because it's a Pit Bull. If a Poodle bit child, and a Pit Bull bit a child, which dog do you think people would want to see put down more?

Of course, it would be the Pit Bull, despite the Poodle having proven itself every bit as likely to bite. But people reasct to these things emotionally, and they're conditioned to accept that, if a Pit Bull bites, it must have been an unprovoked attack...
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