Thread: Obama Team Feared Coup If He Prosecuted War Crimes

Originally Posted by Danny

On the other hand I understand wanting no distracting in passing their agenda and ultimately that course would be better for the country but letting war criminals go just seems un-American. I guess it's a good thing the GOP didn't try to thwart his congressional agenda then eh? Oh wait....

Horseshit. Obama didn't prosecute the w era criminals because he supported much of the criminal activity. Even if he hadn't liked what they did it would have made no difference. The one bipartisan position that's supported by every elected official is that no elected official should ever suffer the consequences of his illegal activities. If obama had put members of the w admin in jail where they belong then members of his admin would in turn be jailed when republicans get back to the white house. Nobody in washington wants that kind of accountability.

Originally Posted by Sluggo

If the whole mainstream media leans left bit has any truth to it, why do we not have more mainstream coverage of such an accusation? (Obama camp feared actual coup if he pushed for prosecution of war crimes for those in the Bush camp.) You would think if this "fear" was at all true, just about all left leaning media would be talking about this nonstop.

They're not afraid of being ridiculed? Of being stood against a wall and shot if they're taken seriously?

Originally Posted by darth omar

If Obama were to bring prosecution against Bush & co. for war crimes, 'the coup' would be limited to the ballot box in the next election.

Never happen.

If there was a coup there would be no ballot box, or election either.

Originally Posted by darth omar

But the whole idea is absurd. Obama has basically continued the 'crimes' his administration would be going after the Bush camp for.

Which is one of the better proofs of my theory. What better way to make a man turn against most of his beliefs than a visit from Tim R. Mortiss

Originally Posted by Sluggo

Perhaps that is a reason why mainstream media would not pick up such a story, would be a real showing of political weakness.

Again, why report a story which will be ridiculed, or get you killed

Originally Posted by usmc7011

Just goes to show what kind of cowards they are. They fear imaginary repercussions from doing the right thing, if they truly feel that war crimes were committed.

Most of the Russians feared the Communists, yet Comrade Stalin is still a beloved figure by many

Originally Posted by MattInFla

ROFLMFAO

These are the 'war crimes' the left accuses Bush of. How can they possibly be unrelated.

Let me ask you this - do you think a coup was a possibility? Do you think Obama's advisors' fears were reasonable?

For me, yes, definitely so. What makes YOU think that the largest and most powerful entity that has ever existed in the history of the world by a fairly wide margin WOULDN'T have elements in it with megalomaniacal tendencies? To put it another way, who would stop them if they did?

For no good reason I can see, we have this feeling in America that a military coup is just impossible here. We used to think we were immune from terrorism too.

Originally Posted by timj219

Horseshit. Obama didn't prosecute the w era criminals because he supported much of the criminal activity. Even if he hadn't liked what they did it would have made no difference. The one bipartisan position that's supported by every elected official is that no elected official should ever suffer the consequences of his illegal activities. If obama had put members of the w admin in jail where they belong then members of his admin would in turn be jailed when republicans get back to the white house. Nobody in washington wants that kind of accountability.

That only applies to politicians, it doesn't apply to the military

Originally Posted by michael h

Not the point Matt, I don't buy into the nonsense that's being sold. I find Obama to be a true ally of the M/I complex ... a neocon at heart.

History is full and long of actions that don't subscribe to "conspiracy". False flags and manipulation of public opinion are nothing new. How are governing legislators any better today then 10, 20, or 400 years ago? They are still men driven by power and money.

So I accept the examples of history and will not remain naive to possibilities.

Conservatives have a strange view of history. The debacle that was Bush is only three years gone but they all see it as in the distant past, yet policies that were instituted 70, 100 and in one case well over 200 years ago, and worked fine all that time, are suddenly the immediate cause of all our problems now.

Originally Posted by John Drake

Conservatives have a strange view of history. The debacle that was Bush is only three years gone but they all see it as in the distant past, yet policies that were instituted 70, 100 and in one case well over 200 years ago, and worked fine all that time, are suddenly the immediate cause of all our problems now.

That's the thing about history and the constant of history ... men trying to gain power and money. You can see the successes and failures of history. The extremes and manipulations of society.

Then suddenly negatives happen and your expected to ignore knowledge right in front of you. Why? Why should experience and knowledge be discarded ... errr ummm, cause somebody said so. So some ass waves a flag and speaks of God ... and I'm going to follow blindly behind cheering ... as Bush himself would say ... naught guana happin.

Originally Posted by timj219

Horseshit. Obama didn't prosecute the w era criminals because he supported much of the criminal activity. Even if he hadn't liked what they did it would have made no difference. The one bipartisan position that's supported by every elected official is that no elected official should ever suffer the consequences of his illegal activities. If obama had put members of the w admin in jail where they belong then members of his admin would in turn be jailed when republicans get back to the white house. Nobody in washington wants that kind of accountability.

So Blagojevich isn't facing 30 years? Agnew didn't lose the vice Presidency and Clinton wasn't impeached? Pols prosecute other pols all the time They never serve time, that is true but Bush's prosecution for war crimes would have been no more or less likely to produce imprisonment than any other

This circus keeps getting better....

Originally Posted by John Drake

So Blagojevich isn't facing 30 years? Agnew didn't lose the vice Presidency and Clinton wasn't impeached? Pols prosecute other pols all the time They never serve time, that is true but Bush's prosecution for war crimes would have been no more or less likely to produce imprisonment than any other

Politicians allow other politicians to be prosecuted when they are so incredibly arrogant and stupid that evidence of their criminal behavior can no longer be covered up and it becomes public knowledge. In cases like the illegal wiretaps of the w admin, politicians of both parties banded together to pass the telco immunity act to ensure important evidence would remain hidden. The obama justice dept continues to suppress evidence in court proceedings to this day. You may have noticed that the investigation of the illegal dismissals of US attorneys was dropped as soon as it was no longer a useful political tool. Because the purpose is never to find criminal behavior and bring the criminals to justice. The purpose is merely to take political advantage of the criminal behavior without actually sending any poltician to jail. Have you forgotten libby's pardon? Do you think it was an accident that the convicted iran contra criminals had their convictions overturned because of a technicality involving their testimony in front of congress? The congressional circus was what the dems wanted - criminal convictions of other politicians was the last thing they wanted.

To me, this story looks like a feeble way to try an appease the far-left segment of the base with this wild coup claim. Obama, you see, really wanted to do this, but the evil military wouldn't let him.

It's pretty despicable, IMHO.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

To me, this story looks like a feeble way to try an appease the far-left segment of the base with this wild coup claim. Obama, you see, really wanted to do this, but the evil military wouldn't let him.

It's pretty despicable, IMHO.

Please, continue to ridicule the idea that a military coup is possible in what is undoubtedly and by far the strongest military power that has ever existed. Add little ad hominem asides for affect

Look, you and I respect each other (I think) so just WHY do you think that a military coup is somehow an impossibility in America, especially given the literally enormous size of the military we have?

Originally Posted by John Drake

Please, continue to ridicule the idea that a military coup is possible in what is undoubtedly and by far the strongest military power that has ever existed. Add little ad hominem asides for affect

Look, you and I respect each other (I think) so just WHY do you think that a military coup is somehow an impossibility in America, especially given the literally enormous size of the military we have?

I'd say a military coup is unlikely and it has a lot to do with the literally enormous size of the military we have. The larger the group the more work it takes to mobilize people to follow a course of action and a coup is a major change of direction for the military. All branches and divisions and companies have to cooperate and in truth have little reason to give a rat's ass about what happens to an elected president of a previous administration.

So someone said they feared a "revolt" if certain actions of the Bush Administration were investigated and prosecuted.

True, a "revolt" can be a coup, with the military seizing power and all that stuff that goes with it, but that isn't the definition I used to interpret that statement.

An organization can "revolt" in a perfectly legal non-violent fashion, it can delay and lose requests, hide information, slow down work on projects, and just stay close enough to the definition of "legal" to make life hell for the new administration.
That is what I read "revolt" to mean.

Originally Posted by John Drake

Please, continue to ridicule the idea that a military coup is possible in what is undoubtedly and by far the strongest military power that has ever existed.

In case you haven't noticed, we have a completely volunteer military, not a conscripted one. We are also all told to refuse orders if we believe them to be unlawful and we see examples of people doing this all of the time. The fact that you think so little of the uniformed services is not surprising nor is the amount of ignorance displayed.

Originally Posted by Danny

Obama Team Feared Coup If He Prosecuted War Crimes

A coup? In America?

wouldn't be the first time....

Originally Posted by John Drake

Fucking Bullshit yourself.

I'm not at all surprised that you're unwilling to admit what is obvious to anyone not wearing conservative blinders.

Obama didn't prosecute Bush/Cheney and their lickspittle Congress because there are elements in the military that promised they wouldl kill him and take over the country if he did. It's the same reason he has been so conciliatory to the conservatives ever since. The coup has, in fact, already taken place and we now live in a military dictatorship. It is very, VERY well hidden but as real as an Argentine junta nevertheless

Interesting. Do you have anything credible to support this bold assertion?