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Ayers hasn't been "radicalizing" school children.

Where's the proof of that?

The Annenberg Foundation was a Republican lead challenge to help poor school kids, and that's primarily how Obama and Ayers know each other.

"Buyer beware". That's a nice piece of paranoia, but what are we to take from that? Obama's going to do what exactly? What are you accusing him of?
I very recently posted the curriculum standards and remarks by those that have seen it at work and the results of CAC's own look into its efficacy, and the Chicago school boards as well, feel free to peruse the last week or so posts....


further- Accusing? well I accuse him of nothing, I say that a persons past is generally the key to his future, his comm. organizing was his incubator so to speak, to deny that reading about what and how he did and had relationships with would not give you a sense of the man and explain his votes, views and actions even today ala "spread the wealth' is silly. It applies to everyone. Obama and his espousal of ayers viewpoints is just the soup de juer.
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Things that definetly won't be discusses at the debate tonight...

1)Illegal immigration

2)Border Security

3)China's unfair trade policies towards the U.S. and their record of human rights abuses(I could be wrong on this one)

4)Where the nuclear waste is going to be dumped if we do create more nuclear plants. This is relevant to both campaigns because Illinois produces a lot of nuclear waste and McCain has gone on record as supporting the odious Yucca Mountain project.

5)Why the U.S. education system is so far behind many other developed nations. If this topic is brought up during the debates and Obama calls for more money being thrown at the problem I hope McCain tosses out appropriate rebuttals.

6)Flaws in the government bailout plan that they both supported.


I'm glad I'm missing tonights stump speech/debate.
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McCain has been falling further behind because he has not effectively articulated an economic plan in terms the voters understand, because his healthcare plan is such a horrid mishmash that he has actually scared many seniors, because we still don't know what he would really do with our sons and daughters in Iraq--begin withdrawing them in February or leave them there for a hundred years, and because he is tied to the policies and the personnel of an administration which many Americans regard as a complete failure. He is behind because he has changed positions on too many issues and we don't know if we can trust him to do what he says, or if he will change his mind again tomorrow.

These are the things that John McCain needs to address. This is his last chance to communicate directly with so many voters, and he needs to convince them that he can handle the challenges facing our next president.

If he decides to waste valuable time talking about William Ayers and other so-called "character" issues, then he will have lost this election, irrevocably, tonight, because he will have failed to do what needed to be done. He won't be able to blame anyone but himself.
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Just a radical hippy who bombed houses, public buildings, made nail-laden bombs targeting evening dances that accidentally blew up and killed other "radical hippies", whose comrades killed cops and truck drivers for money to support their bomb-making operations, and then fled like the terrorist pig coward he is for years into hiding.
you have probably never believed in a cause strongly enough to fight for it. who are you to call anyone a coward?
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you have probably never believed in a cause strongly enough to fight for it. who are you to call anyone a coward?
He was/is a coward. If you are going to fight, fight your battle. Planting bombs that kill indiscriminately is an act of cowardice.
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you have probably never believed in a cause strongly enough to fight for it. who are you to call anyone a coward?
I am an American who has the right of free speech to do so. I am also an American who doesn't make baseless assumptions about others as I prefer to avoid looking foolish.
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He was/is a coward. If you are going to fight, fight your battle. Planting bombs that kill indiscriminately is an act of cowardice.
he fought with the only means available to him. it was not the 17th century, where you had a musket and so did the government. there is no way to fight a powerful state like the united states conventionally. get over it, your argument is a poorly stacked house of cards.

he targeted the imperial mechanism that was placing millions of people in risk of death for the interests of 'anti communism'
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he fought with the only means available to him. it was not the 17th century, where you had a musket and so did the government. there is no way to fight a powerful state like the united states conventionally. get over it, your argument is a poorly stacked house of cards.

he targeted the imperial mechanism that was placing millions of people in risk of death for the interests of 'anti communism'

If only Obama would come out tonight and say it!
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he fought with the only means available to him. it was not the 17th century, where you had a musket and so did the government. there is no way to fight a powerful state like the united states conventionally. get over it, your argument is a poorly stacked house of cards.

he targeted the imperial mechanism that was placing millions of people in risk of death for the interests of 'anti communism'
He's a fucking coward. He couldn't sight in a rifle and snipe one of the people he so despised, he had to plant a bomb so he could scurry off to safety when it went off.

Listen to what you are saying. Suppose you are a big tough SOB and you did me really wrong. Would I be justified in placing a bomb at your house and taking out your wife and kids just so I could "get you"? The fuck is a coward, take a poll if you have to.

Whats next? Timothy McVeigh was justified too?
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Listen to what you are saying. Suppose you are a big tough SOB and you did me really wrong. Would I be justified in placing a bomb at your house and taking out your wife and kids just so I could "get you"?
Ummm, there is a big difference between the federal government and the big dude down the road. your analogy is a joke. How come you can't call him a coward based on cause rather than tactic?


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The fuck is a coward, take a poll if you have to.
what the hell would that prove? people are sheep.
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Ummm, there is a big difference between the federal government and the big dude down the road. your analogy is a joke. How come you can't call him a coward based on cause rather than tactic?...
For those oblivious to the obvious, because his tactics are cowardly.
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For those oblivious to the obvious, because his tactics are cowardly.
i say it would take balls to attack the most powerful state in the world, in the middle of the modern age, with all that the state has at its disposal!!

and then to go on and become a public figure, rather than move permanently to some other country.
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i say it would take balls to attack the most powerful state in the world, in the middle of the modern age, with all that the state has at its disposal!!

and then to go on....
...into hiding like the cowardly terrorist pig he is.
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Ummm, there is a big difference between the federal government and the big dude down the road. your analogy is a joke. How come you can't call him a coward based on cause rather than tactic?



what the hell would that prove? people are sheep.
Unless I am mistaken , one of his bombs was placed at the home (read that residence, ite?) of a judge. What about Timmy Mac? Are you going to defend him too? He did the same thing , but was obviously better at it. Is he a hero of your too?
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what the hell would that prove? people are sheep.
Do you not see the irony here? A good friend of the man who made war on the US Government wants to rule the US Government? In any other generation, such a notion would be laughable!

Now, it is happening, right before our eyes.
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