Thread: USA vs the world, who would win

The Chinese will eventually rule the world economically and militarily. They are telling G Bush Jr. what to do now re. North Korea.

Originally Posted by Dogsbody

The Chinese will eventually rule the world economically and militarily. They are telling G Bush Jr. what to do now re. North Korea.

But to be fair consider how succesful the Chinese would be if they tried to pressure an ally of ours that was on our border. In all the world it is the one place China can tell us to piss off.

Originally Posted by Gort

OPEC is also not really interested in seeing the US start seriously looking at the Shale Oil as a recoverable source of oil. We have talked about it, and it is now cost effective, but there are still to many environmental issues, kind of like the oil sands the Canadians are developing. Anyway if we do ever go into full scale recover of that oil the US will become the country with teh worlds largest reserve of oil overnight. It isn't considered as part of our reserves at the moment because we are really commercially exploiting it. THe same goes for the new deep gulf finds.

I remember hearing an interview with the Gov. of Wyoming, IIRC, on the radio some time ago. He was a strong proponent of the coal to diesel fuel technology, saying that it was capable of producing $35/barrel diesel fuel. He also said that at today's usage rate, our reserves would allow us to be self-sufficient for 150 - 200 years.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

I remember hearing an interview with the Gov. of Wyoming, IIRC, on the radio some time ago. He was a strong proponent of the coal to diesel fuel technology, saying that it was capable of producing $35/barrel diesel fuel. He also said that at today's usage rate, our reserves would allow us to be self-sufficient for 150 - 200 years.

Fram what I have heard it would not make us self sufficient. It would give us enough oil for 200 years with current imports. Take away the imports and you seriously reduce the timeframe. Besides the US isn't all of a sudden going to remove itself from the world oil market tomorrow. That would seriously destabilize OPEC and it is not in our interest to do that.

Originally Posted by Gort

Fram what I have heard it would not make us self sufficient. It would give us enough oil for 200 years with current imports. Take away the imports and you seriously reduce the timeframe. Besides the US isn't all of a sudden going to remove itself from the world oil market tomorrow. That would seriously destabilize OPEC and it is not in our interest to do that.

Not so.

The North American coal reserves amount to the equivalent of 178Gigatons of petroleum. By contrast, the Middle East's oil reserve is only 100Gigatons.
..........
In contrast, coal reserves are forecast to last
well into the future – on a global average for a
further 155 years, but in some countries
domestic reserves may last much longer [BP
2006]. There are vast reserves in the USA,
Russia, China, India and Australia, and many
other countries have reserves more than
adequate for over 100 years of use at
current rates.
http://www.worldcoal.org/assets_cm/f...quid_fuels.pdf

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

Not so.

Where did that article say anything about whether we use current imports or eliminate them?

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

usa would win

cause we rock!!!!!!!!

Pride always precedes the fall, Rakkasan! Haven't you learned that lesson yet?

Gem
:rolleyes:

Originally Posted by Gort

Where did that article say anything about whether we use current imports or eliminate them?

Maybe this one's a little clearer, sorry.

The report by the RAND Environment, Energy and Economic Development program says that between 500 billion and 1.1 trillion barrels of oil are technically recoverable from high-grade oil shale deposits located in the Green River geological formation, covering parts of Colorado, Utah and Wyoming.

The mid-point of the RAND estimate – 800 billion barrels – is three times the size of Saudi Arabia's oil reserves. This is enough oil to meet 25 percent of America's current oil demand for the next 400 years.
RAND | News Release | RAND Study Says High World Oil Prices and Technological Developments Could Make Shale-Derived Oil Competitive

Or 100% of our current demand for 100 years.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

Maybe this one's a little clearer, sorry.


Or 100% of our current demand for 100 years.

The problem with this scenario is our demand isn't going to remain stable for the next 100 years.

Originally Posted by daisym

Don't be put off by our deserts, we are a lovely country to invade ... thats if you want to ...

but remember the giant mouse with boxing gloves that used to be a problem for Sylvester (the cat - not Stallone)? we have lots more where they came from, and we'll use them as our first line of defence. I don't think your soldiers would be game to shoot them - there's be such a hue and cry in Hollywood - or wherever your animal rights people hang out.

You wouldn't be talking about those sweet and cuddly six-footers that could take your head off with one swipe of their "hop-along" legs now, would you?

Gem

Originally Posted by Gort

The problem with this scenario is our demand isn't going to remain stable for the next 100 years.

That depends entirely on our ability to push alternate technologies for generating electricity, primarily. If we start building nuke plants again, that'll free up a huge chunk of our coal reserves.

Originally Posted by jpsartre12

That depends entirely on our ability to push alternate technologies for generating electricity, primarily. If we start building nuke plants again, that'll free up a huge chunk of our coal reserves.

Boy have I got some swamp land I want you to take a look at.

Originally Posted by Gort

Boy have I got some swamp land I want you to take a look at.

LOL. I'm a realist. Note the use of the word "if". As for the swamp land, would that be the same swamp land that was sold to Walt Disney and now brings in 10X's of millions/year? Or would that be the swamp land that the NJ Meadowlands racetrack and stadium are built on?