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View Poll Results: How you think we should attack IRAN?
Air Force air assult 4 13.33%
Air Force and Navy Missle Strikes 17 56.67%
Navy Missle Strikes 0 0%
All out war and hell with ground forces 9 30.00%
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Old 11-03-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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So pathetic on so many ways.


Tell us; do you consider yourself a religious person? Perhaps just a moral person?

Calling for the murder of millions of people makes you something else.
let me express my view so you can understand
slagging Iran will either save more millions because it will end the current trend toward war , OR it will end the ability to wage war if it triggers a global thermonuclear war.


as to my personal view on humanity , I believe that most of the Human beings on this planet are not fit to live.

If I had a button which would kill instantly and mercifully , 99% of the population at the time it was pressed (possibly myself as I would not exclude myself out of fairness )

I would press that button

if I were still alive , I would press that button again

and if I was still alive I would press that button the third time ,

if I was still alive I would destroy that button.


we clear now?
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

Sure.

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Old 11-04-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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let me express my view so you can understand
slagging Iran will either save more millions because it will end the current trend toward war , OR it will end the ability to wage war if it triggers a global thermonuclear war.


as to my personal view on humanity , I believe that most of the Human beings on this planet are not fit to live.

If I had a button which would kill instantly and mercifully , 99% of the population at the time it was pressed (possibly myself as I would not exclude myself out of fairness )

I would press that button

if I were still alive , I would press that button again

and if I was still alive I would press that button the third time ,

if I was still alive I would destroy that button.


we clear now?
That view is down to the comma compatible to the ideology of my country 65 years ago.

How can you sleep at night?
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Old 11-04-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

If we were to enter into a war with Iran, which would be foolish in the extreme, we should use a primary attack plan of Navy strikes, with a sub-attack plan of Air Force strikes. This is to keep our attack plans unpredictable. We should use small strike forces. These would create small jabs, which are easily prepared, but by the time Iran's forces get there, there is no threat. Gradually these small attacks get more numerous, until Iran has to deal with thousands of these jabs at the same time. This is a bug-bite plan, where power in numbers overcome a target. As I said, it would be stupid to enter in a war with Iran for numerous reasons. However, this is not the Iran discussion board.
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Old 11-04-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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That view is down to the comma compatible to the ideology of my country 65 years ago.

How can you sleep at night?
I sleep very well .

dont get me wrong here , I was a little POed at the constant inane drivel from another poster on many threads.

I am of the mind that if I am left alone , I leave others alone .
I even go out of my way to help if I can.
However , when something like Iran comes up , there is no light touch way to handle it correctly.
If we act militarily then we must act with alacrity and the full force of our convictions.


my opinion of human beings as stated is the one I have when I see how far down man has gone . it is truly and utterly pathetic .
and I see the majority of persons on this planet as wastes of space , resources, time , and effort .

right now , the upper .1% are all that make a complete wipe undesirable.
the lack of morals , the lack of a backbone , the lack of common sense , and the incessant liberal crap being spewed by one worlders is unbearable.

however , I am always open to having my opinion change.
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Old 11-04-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

I think all this talk about another, potential war front, means that we are wasting too much money on exorbitantly expensive super power.

We could have had a world class underground power grid connecting all fifty states plus Canada and Mexico, by now. And, we could have also had all public sector mass transit, that currently run on petroleum based products, either converted to hydrogen or bought outright as hydrogen vehicles as a form of reducing pollution.

But, instead, all we have is a non-formally declared "War" on an abstraction that is comparable to the Analogy of the Cave, by Plato.
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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the lack of morals ...
Suggesting humans could be subhumans or "unworthy living" in itself constitutes a lack of morals...

Not too many km from my hometown away there had been a castle. In that castle all unworthy living was ... lets call it "handled".

And pupils in school learned the appropriate math example: If an disabled costs the society 10 000 Reichsmark each month and there are 13450 of them, how many homes for families could be built each year if one costs 200 000 Reichsmark?
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Old 11-05-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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This way of handling it makes it possible to understand how the Germans could do what they did. They only had a very "broad" understanding of "enemy" as sole difference.
When it comes to waging war, I think the Germans did a pretty good job of it.

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So in case your "enemy" term only refers to soldiers (hey but there for sure are non uniformed civlia.... ehm illegal fighters as well), you could massacre and torture only them. Still good enough for being dispiced.
While I do not advocate targetting enemy civilians as a matter of course, I do not think their possible deaths should effect the prosecution of a war.

I could care less if my country is dispiced for such tactics. In war, my nation's survival is all that matters.

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Enemies always remain humans. There is nothing like subhumans, and I dont want to see a state reappearing in which this concept is reintroduced again.
I disagree. My enemy is an enemy, nothing more. Any remorse or pity could be exploited.
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Old 11-05-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

I think anarchy is less beneficial to Mankind than statism.

A federal UN could simply enforce official weights and measures for commercial reactors.

There is no need for the US to engage in forms of anarchy that could result in multiple front wars. WWII is a good example of the failure of the German leadership of the time in starting a disastrous second front without a valid military reason to do so.
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Old 11-06-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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Suggesting humans could be subhumans or "unworthy living" in itself constitutes a lack of morals...

Not too many km from my hometown away there had been a castle. In that castle all unworthy living was ... lets call it "handled".

And pupils in school learned the appropriate math example: If an disabled costs the society 10 000 Reichsmark each month and there are 13450 of them, how many homes for families could be built each year if one costs 200 000 Reichsmark?
heh I never even suggested anyone was subhuman , I did and stand by say that the vast majority of human beings on this planet , for various reasons do not deserve to live . They are still very human, just wastes .
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Old 11-07-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

And what separates you from them?

What makes you better?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
You and I don't agree much Pram. But spot on this time.
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heh I never even suggested anyone was subhuman , I did and stand by say that the vast majority of human beings on this planet , for various reasons do not deserve to live . They are still very human, just wastes .
I think "value", can be a very subjective as a form of opinion.

Statism (via a social contract), allows for forms of social justice would not be achievable through anarchy.

Therefore, an individual in our form of statism can always think what they want (via the 1st and 9th Amendments, in the US; but, should be tempered in their actions by forms of respect for the rule of law when it involves individual liberty.
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I think "value", can be a very subjective as a form of opinion.

Statism (via a social contract), allows for forms of social justice would not be achievable through anarchy.

Therefore, an individual in our form of statism can always think what they want (via the 1st and 9th Amendments, in the US; but, should be tempered in their actions by forms of respect for the rule of law when it involves individual liberty.
I would not have passed my psyche evaluations and been a law enforcement officer , or have had the clearances I had in the military if I wasn't

1) sane
2) capable of separating my personal opinions and under anger opinions with the rational respect for the rule of law and the people around me.

I am not looking for such a button , I am not certain I would do anything with one if I had one in hand right now ( I do have my own moral code)

there are times when I do feel as though , if I didnt have that moral code , I could and might just do exactly what I said about the button.


as I stated before , I am primarily of the basic mindset of minding my own business, and if not being bothered by anyone , letting others alone.

I do not start shit .
However , if persons wish to start shit , I am of the mindset to finish it.

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Old 11-07-2007
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Re: How you think we should attack IRAN?

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there are times when I do feel as though , if I didnt have that moral code , I could and might just do exactly what I said about the button.
Purely for the sake of discussion, why would you have any moral authority to possess the button?

In any form of statism, such a button should be with the guardians of that form of statism, and not at the disposal of any private individual.
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