Originally Posted by goober

Don't forget Grenada, we kicked ass in Grenada, it only took the 82nd Airborne a week to advance a mile against 300 lightly armed Cubans.

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

I can see you are being selective with your history, as well as being totally inept when it comes to military matters.

1. The 82nd Airborne did not deploy to Grenada as a whole. In total, only about 3 battalions from that division were deployed. That being said, time was really not a problem for them. Because while they were holding up those Cubans (who were highly trained, and some even had combat experience in Africa) the Marines and Rangers were securing the rest of the island.

2. The Cubans (of which there were around 700) and Grenadian soldiers were well prepared and dug in. Anyone with any shred of military experience knows that the defender in an island invasion has an advantage in both prepared positions as well as knowledge of the terrain.

Originally Posted by goober

The B-2 is a joke, it's way to big, it's way to expensive, it's a pork barrel project from the Reagan administration.
Lockheed had a smaller far less expensive design, that met all the USAF RFP criteria, Lockheed was told that money was tight and the government would pick the least expensive design that met the RFP criteria, so that's what they designed, then the Air Force picked the North American design because it carried a bigger payload, and cost ten times as much, a pure pork barrel decision.
I don't have a link, because I read it in a book by the guy who designed HaveBlue and the F-117 bomber at the Skunkworks.

Originally Posted by Americano

All for US students who couldn't make the qualifications for medical school in the US, wasn't it?

Originally Posted by Americano

All for US students who couldn't make the qualifications for medical school in the US, wasn't it?

Originally Posted by Steve

Which would tell an intelligent person that, while it was clearly a problem for that particular aircraft, it's not been a problem for the entire inventory...

Originally Posted by goober

Still grasping at straws I see.
But nice of you to point out the Space Shuttle (Nixon's gift to North American) was a more expensive disaster than the B-2 (Reagan's gift to North American). But both programs did succeed in transferring large amounts of taxpayer money to loyal Republican campaign donors, although neither has performed as advertised, and both have proved to be of little practical value.

In your partisan fervor you may have failed to note that the Space Shuttles aren't airplanes, so maybe if I should have titled the thread "Most expensive airplane crash in history", although I did assume that the average reader would pick up that the adjective most referred to airplanes, when the linked article was about an airplane crash.

And I also see why a rabid partisan would consider the loss of a 1.4 billion dollar aircraft by a defense department stocked to the gills with no talent Republican political appointees, where promotions are based on ass licking and have nothing to do with competence, as simply unavoidable, and no cause for alarm, just as readily as you excuse misplaced nuclear armed cruise missiles as no big deal.

Go ahead, you can explain why it was Clinton's fault now...............

Originally Posted by ThorHammer

Just one note, the B-2 Spirit is a Northrop Grumman product, not a North American.

Also, do you know what the Lockheed design was called and where I can find info on it? Perhaps I can shed some additional light on why it was rejected.