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Old 07-08-2009
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Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

Really good to see this. Another step in the long road to re-establish a German military tradition. Though I imagine some Germans may be a bit uneasy with this. Either way these soldaten deserve to be recognized for their brave actions.

First Military Medal for Bravery Since WWII: Germany Awards Military Cross of Courage - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

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Many Germans prefer to think of their army, the Bundeswehr, as a defensive army that shuns combat. The position is hard to reconcile with a new military award that honors exceptionally courageous action in the field.

For the first time since World War II, Germany has officially honored the courage of its soldiers with a newly minted medal. On Monday, Chancellor Angela Merkel and Defense Minister Franz Josef Jung (both of the Christian Democratic Union) presented the award to four Bundeswehr sergeants who risked their lives to help wounded soldiers and children during a suicide attack in Afghanistan.

The medal -- a small golden cross that hangs on a black, red and yellow ribbon decorated with oak leaves -- has been the source of much controversy. While some see it as a long overdue means to honor outstanding military service and an expression of "positive patriotism," others warn of a revival of German militarism.

Jung justified the creation of a "cross of honor for bravery," which President Köhler agreed to in October of last year, with the heightened level of danger that Bundeswehr soldiers are exposed to abroad. The medal is the fifth and highest distinction in the Bundeswehr. According to the decree that created it, the new cross honors "exceptionally courageous deeds" that go beyond what is expected "within the framework of the performance of duty."

While the four other Bundeswehr distinctions are awarded to soldiers who have served more than four months abroad and demonstrated loyal service or fulfilled their duty in an exemplary way, the new award insists on extraordinary accomplishment.

For the 130 years leading up to 1945, exceptional courage in German military service was honored with the Iron Cross. The medal was abolished at the end of World War II, during which it was awarded roughly 2.6 million times -- 2.3 million Second Class Iron Crosses and 300,000 Frist Class Iron Crosses. For many, that medal has come to symbolise the atrocities of the Third Reich.

Last March, the chairman of the Bundeswehr's reserves, Reinhard Beck, proposed reinstating the Iron Cross, but the suggestion met loud opposition in parliament and among Jewish groups.

The four soldiers that were honored on Monday were witness to a suicide attack by Taliban militants on Oct. 20, 2008 southwest of Kunduz. Two German soldiers were killed and two wounded in the attack. Five Afghan children were killed, one injured. Although the German's armored vehicle was on fire and munitions were exploding, the four soldiers, aged 28 to 33, rushed to the scene to try to help.

At the presentation in the chancellery, Jung called the soldiers "models for their comrades in their dedication to justice and freedom." Merkel called the soldier's action "an incentive not only for their comrades, but for us all." She defended the creation of the new award, saying that Germany's soldiers deserve "more recognition" for their service.

The medal is part of a larger push by the governing CDU to raise the profile and public appreciation of the Bundeswehr. This fall, a memorial to honor Bundeswehr soldiers who have died in service will be inaugurated in Berlin. It will be the first of its kind in Germany's post-war history.

Since the Bundeswehr entered Afghanistan in 2002, 35 soldiers have been killed. Last October, Jung began referring to the casualties as the "fallen". The rhetorical subtlety reflects the need to generate more public support for the Afghanistan mission.

According to a recent survey by Forsa, 61 percent of Germans favour an immediate withdrawal of the Bundeswehr from Afghanistan, whereas in 2002, 62 percent stood behind the mandate.
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Re: Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

Fuck. World War III, here we come.
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Re: Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

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Really good to see this. Another step in the long road to re-establish a German military tradition. Though I imagine some Germans may be a bit uneasy with this. Either way these soldaten deserve to be recognized for their brave actions.

First Military Medal for Bravery Since WWII: Germany Awards Military Cross of Courage - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International

Since they apparently recieved their awards for helping injured comrades and afghan civilians under Taliban fire i fully agree that they deserve to be honored.
What I´d like to add to the article is that one reason for the immsense unpopularity of the afghan mission of the Bundeswehr is not the war itself, but how it is "sold" at home, which is dishonest and counterproductive to say the least.
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Fuck. World War III, here we come.
Harsh, but very funny.
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Re: Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

Sounds to me like the award was richly deserved, and thanks Nazis for making the Iron Cross a dirty word. Kudos to Merkel et al for having the balls to award the troops as well.
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Re: Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

Their service and courage is greatly appreciated.
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Sounds to me like the award was richly deserved, and thanks Nazis for making the Iron Cross a dirty word. Kudos to Merkel et al for having the balls to award the troops as well.
Those who have a problem with this aren´t Merkel voters anyway, so its not as if there was any risk for her. She may on the other hand try to draw the votes of active and retired soldiers into her political camp by this gesture ( after all military service is still officially obligatory in Germany ( although there are possibilities to circumvent it by choosing social service instead), these are many , many votes and the general elections are approaching in September. And by the way, this NOT the return of the Iron cross, it is just an award modelled after it.
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Re: Germany awards first bravery medal since WW2

I was going to ask why some Germans might object to a soldier in their country's uniform being awarded a citation for saving some lives, but we have our own share of wingnuts over here that find fault with ANYTHING military - a soldier could save a busload of nuns holding babies from going off a cliff - and they would still be grousing about it...
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I was going to ask why some Germans might object to a soldier in their country's uniform being awarded a citation for saving some lives, but we have our own share of wingnuts over here that find fault with ANYTHING military - a soldier could save a busload of nuns holding babies from going off a cliff - and they would still be grousing about it...
Well, their nuns.

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Really good to see this. Another step in the long road to re-establish a German military tradition. Though I imagine some Germans may be a bit uneasy with this. Either way these soldaten deserve to be recognized for their brave actions.

First Military Medal for Bravery Since WWII: Germany Awards Military Cross of Courage - SPIEGEL ONLINE - News - International
What's that German military tradition you are looking to re-establish? I'd really like to understand your affection. How old are you?
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What's that German military tradition you are looking to re-establish? I'd really like to understand your affection. How old are you?
Any tradition really. The Bundeswehr represents a nearly complete break with the pre-1945 German military traditions (Reichswehr, Wehrmacht, Reichsheer, or any pre-unification military). While it may have seemed like a good idea in decade following WW2, I believe a military cannot truely function without a history or a tradition. Such concepts go a long way into imparting an Esprit de Corps in troops. The awarding of this medal is another step in establishing, or re-establishing, a military tradition in Germany and is a very good thing.

What does my age have to do with anything?
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Any tradition really. The Bundeswehr represents a nearly complete break with the pre-1945 German military traditions (Reichswehr, Wehrmacht, Reichsheer, or any pre-unification military). While it may have seemed like a good idea in decade following WW2, I believe a military cannot truely function without a history or a tradition. Such concepts go a long way into imparting an Esprit de Corps in troops. The awarding of this medal is another step in establishing, or re-establishing, a military tradition in Germany and is a very good thing.

What does my age have to do with anything?
I agree. The fact that it was even seen as controversial to have a new medal to recognise valorous service is utterly deflating IMO and I'm glad the 'no' sentiment did not prevail. I'd actually like to see the Iron Cross return. It is not a Nazi medal by nature, issuance or history. The Nazis weren't even around when German soldiers were getting pinned with them for valorous service in combat. They inherited it just like most things of longer existence. And IMO, the Iron Cross doesn't deserve the Nazis to have the last say on it and leave it with an inaccurate judgement it does not deserve, especially so for those who earned them before the Nazis were around.

No history is perfect and each nation has its sins. But those sins have to be kept in proper perspective and allocations or else it is unhealthy for a nation's psyche.

The Germans have military histories and traditions going way back, never mind since unification in 1871. For example, I find it rather nice that at the Brandywine battlefield near me where an American Revolutionary War battle was fought, visitors commonly place German flags as well as the Stars and Stripes and Union Jacks on a mass grave there filled with the wounded that never made it out of a makeshift hospital. The reason is simple--German Jaegers are buried there too. German armies from various German states were hired by the British to fight on their behalf in that war (the British monarchy was also the monarchy of Hannover and had plenty of German titles and connections).

And the East Germans of the former GDR/DDR actually did appreciate what you said, and their Soviet puppetmasters were certainly no fans of the Nazis given what the Nazis did to them. The regime did allow the retention and use of many German military traditions and customs in its Nationale Volksarmee, including very Prussian aspects of its uniform and customs, etc. It was very good for the morale of the troops and the customs along with trainings formed a very competent army that outdid in calibre what might otherwise have been expected given the size, nature and standing of the GDR/DDR as a fissured rump German, post-war ravaged, communist, Soviet satellite state.

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I agree. The fact that it was even seen as controversial to have a new medal to recognise valorous service is utterly deflating IMO and I'm glad the 'no' sentiment did not prevail. [/IMG]


I´d say that is not a majority position in Germany though. And the new medal is much rather seen as a campaign move by Merkel and therefore went down rather unnoticed in the news.
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What I´d like to add to the article is that one reason for the immsense unpopularity of the afghan mission of the Bundeswehr is not the war itself, but how it is "sold" at home, which is dishonest and counterproductive to say the least.
I absolutely agree with you and in my opinion our current minister of defence (Franz J. Jung) is on of the weakest/dumbest we've ever had in Germany.

In a TV-discussion he recently repeated the bullcrap that the Bundeswehr is not at war in Afghanistan. Germans know that our soldiers are not on a holiday tour over there, that Afghanistan is not just another humanitarian mission and because of it politicans like Jung, who try to sell it absolutely differentely to the public, just strengthen the opposition against the mission.

Maybe I'm wrong about this one, but people might also recognise or having trouble with the fact that not enough ressources are allocated to a mission repeatedly labeled/considered essential for the security of Germany (by politicans). Politicans can't have it both ways; no war but also essential. Somehow this approach by German politicans just stinks.

Apart from that I'm don't fully agree with Thorhammer's view about the Bundeswehr, military tradition and so on.

I've always seen/expierenced the Bundeswehr as the democratic Wehrmacht 2.0. It was build up by excellent WW2 fighters, it's parliamentary commissioners for the armed forces had been WW2 commanders/soldiers till the late 80's and of course the true basics have been "German".

The thing that is changing now is the slowly decline of the political/social WW2-guilt/peace-4-ever sentiment by older generations and so of course a more open approach is emerging.
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This is good to see. The courage of individuals is being honored. Whether or not it is politicized for various reasons is a different issue.
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