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Old 09-26-2009
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Big army, low taxes?

How much longer can the US military remain the most powerful in the world without a substantial increase in the US tax base?
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Old 09-26-2009
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

Depends.
Privatization of military operations, especially security, is one way. Not saying it is right, but it is happening.
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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How much longer can the US military remain the most powerful in the world without a substantial increase in the US tax base?


fair enough. high time you cannucks started paying up. would you prefer free oil to us or cold hard cash ?
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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fair enough. high time you cannucks started paying up. would you prefer free oil to us or cold hard cash ?
This reminds me of a story I'd read a few years ago. At an international meeting, a Russian lady was criticizing some Easern Europeans for their lack of appreciation for all the help Russia had given them, to which an Eastern European answered: 'Did we ever ask for that help?'

I've never asked for help from the US military, so why should I pay for it. it doens't even protect my interests. What you're proposing is akin to a construction company going onto my property, building the most expensive facility in the world on it, and then sending me the bill without asking me if I'd even wanted the building in the first place. Then, when he says that that building has benefitted me by bringing up my property value, I could still legitimately say that whether I benefit from it or not, I still never asked for it. So, what would US law say to that?
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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fair enough. high time you cannucks started paying up. would you prefer free oil to us or cold hard cash ?
Paying for what, precisely?
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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This reminds me of a story I'd read a few years ago. At an international meeting, a Russian lady was criticizing some Easern Europeans for their lack of appreciation for all the help Russia had given them, to which an Eastern European answered: 'Did we ever ask for that help?'

I've never asked for help from the US military, so why should I pay for it. it doens't even protect my interests. What you're proposing is akin to a construction company going onto my property, building the most expensive facility in the world on it, and then sending me the bill without asking me if I'd even wanted the building in the first place. Then, when he says that that building has benefitted me by bringing up my property value, I could still legitimately say that whether I benefit from it or not, I still never asked for it. So, what would US law say to that?


US law would not permit it.

Given your proximity and the nature of how enemies might opt to attack (through the air) you are where things hit if they are a little short. So it we are to protect ourselves we have to include a buffer zone. You are that buffer zone. And your country DOES want that protection.

So pony up Bob ! Or Gord...
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Paying for what, precisely?

protection

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US law would not permit it.

Given your proximity and the nature of how enemies might opt to attack (through the air) you are where things hit if they are a little short. So it we are to protect ourselves we have to include a buffer zone. You are that buffer zone. And your country DOES want that protection.

So pony up Bob ! Or Gord...
Sounds like blackmail to me. So if Canada doesn't work with the US, the US will trample ovr it to attack countries to Canada's North?
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

If you want a military presence up north, what's wrong with stationing your troops in Alaska?
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Sounds like blackmail to me. So if Canada doesn't work with the US, the US will trample ovr it to attack countries to Canada's North?

Oh we do it regardless, just pointing it out to you. We take a larger view.
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If you want a military presence up north, what's wrong with stationing your troops in Alaska?

what makes you think we don't ? But you really don't need loads of people just to knock down missiles.
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what makes you think we don't ? But you really don't need loads of people just to knock down missiles.
By the way, who are these northern enemies? If you go to my property to build a dam around it when there's not flooding in sight, why should I pay for your paranoia?
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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By the way, who are these northern enemies? If you go to my property to build a dam around it when there's not flooding in sight, why should I pay for your paranoia?

the trajectory of missiles crosses north.
I am not concerned with the polar bears or caribu.
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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This reminds me of a story I'd read a few years ago. At an international meeting, a Russian lady was criticizing some Easern Europeans for their lack of appreciation for all the help Russia had given them, to which an Eastern European answered: 'Did we ever ask for that help?'

I've never asked for help from the US military, so why should I pay for it. it doens't even protect my interests. What you're proposing is akin to a construction company going onto my property, building the most expensive facility in the world on it, and then sending me the bill without asking me if I'd even wanted the building in the first place. Then, when he says that that building has benefitted me by bringing up my property value, I could still legitimately say that whether I benefit from it or not, I still never asked for it. So, what would US law say to that?
Problem with your little story is that we don't infringe on what you do in your countries. The most effect we have on each other is a few differences in trade agreements. And, as the nature of trade is cooperation, we have the right to invoke any kind of agreement we want w/o the interference from Canada, just like you can do the same. We have no averse effect on your country. We don't have troops deployed their. We don't control your media. We don't control your politics.

Regardless, the military could be run more efficiently. I will say deployments to war zones is expensive. I say we should stop trying to help establish democracy in countries that have no understanding of the concept. Pull out and let them kill each other. That is what they want to do anyways. End our presence in Iraq and Afghan and the cost of our military isn't a very big deal.
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Re: Big army, low taxes?

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protection

Who's gunning for Canada?
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