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How many claims of this video has been proven true beyond reasonable doubt:
The New American Century .mpg
Was 9/11 just a pretext for war?
Secretary of State
Do you get a free tinfoil hat with the video?
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Vice President
None. Zero. Nada. Zilch.
"There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."
Secretary of Defense
This video is unfortunate. There's no secret conspiracy behind the PNAC. They've been open and explicit with their foreign policy ambitions and it's all thoroughly documented.
Trashing it up like this and linking it to "truthers" crap only encourages people to disregard the factors influencing the wars we are currently engaged in.
"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." -- Robert E. Heinlein
Vice President
OK, I'll bite.What are you saying here? I am not following your thought process. The fault is all mine, I assure you, but I do not understand where you are going with the discussion.
"There is no gain in arguing with a poo flinging monkey. While his
gibbering and raucous cries of victory may seem obnoxious in your ears
as you walk away, he will soon be quietly sitting behind his bars again
and licking his own feces off his fingers as you carry on with your day."
Secretary of Defense
I'm saying that it's unfortunate that the story of PNAC is written off as a conspiracy theory. I think it's largely a failure of our press, but the causes are numerous. The truth of the matter, while not as sinister and glamorous as the video painted it, is well-documented by none other than the PNAC itself. Most of the "claims" made in the film aren't even in question. In fact, they're drawn from the PNAC's very own website.OK, I'll bite.
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The video, though, tries to insinuate that the PNAC was behind the 9/11 attacks which isn't established (or even likely in my opinion). It obscures the very real fact that the PNAC was pushing for war with IRAQ long before 9/11 and were more than eager to use the anger provoked by the terrorists to invade and supplant Hussein's regime.
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"The human race divides politically into those who want people to be controlled and those who have no such desire. The former are idealists acting from highest motives for the greatest good of the greatest number. The latter are surly curmudgeons, suspicious and lacking in altruism. But they are more comfortable neighbors than the other sort." -- Robert E. Heinlein
Moderator
Wow...
we agree.
Now THAT might be a pretext for war.
T-square. I think you hit it on the head. The video mixes points that I know to be true with what appear to be embellishments, which results in anything I don't know for sure to be true to be questionable. If a similar video could be created without the embellishments, it would certainly be a good video. But it seems with the issue being so polarized, it's either embellished or denied completely.
U.S. Senator
You actually expect me to spend over an hour and a half watching that? I think I would rather watch "The Atomic Cafe" again (which I actually enjoy).
And oh my god, the very first line of the commentary is a lie!
"...never experienced an attack on it's territory before."
Uhhh, There were multiple attacks on US soil in the War of 1812 (Baltimore, Washington DC, Illinois, Wisconsin, Indiana, and Louisiana). Then there was the attack on Columbus, New Mexico in 1916. And let's not forget Pearl Harbor, Midway, Guam, and Wake islands. All of which were US territories. Oh, and Dutch Harbor and other Alaskan islands. And the Philippines was a US Commonwealth, so it can also be considered US Territory.
When the very opening line is so obviously wrong, who can I believe anything told in that "documentary"? I can only expect more coprolite in the rest of it, either outright lies, or so poorly researched that it is not worth anything.
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