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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

Frankly if Quebec were to seperate it would give us an opportunity to re-evaluate the free trade agreements we have with "Canada". I hear Canadians complaining about them and I know a lot of Americans now see them as detrimental to our interests.
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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

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A boom/bust economy that was a Provincial welfare case right up until 25 years ago? And a provincial economy that is smaller than the city of Toronto and almost entirely dependent upon resource extraction and agriculture?

Sure, whatever.
Assuming the world does not stop using oil, we should be able to help destroy the planet for centuries to come.

Little known fact about Alberta, we actually employ more people in the film industry than we do in the oil industry. Our economy is a little bit more diversified than you give us credit for.

Seems to me that AB is destined to give more than we receive for the indefinite future. But all in all, im fine with that.

Think about it this way MM, one of the major obstacles to AB really funding a world class health and education system (even better than it already is) is the imbalance it would create with the rest of Canada. Separated from Canada, that resistance would disappear, and we would probably rate as the best 'country' in the world, as far as living standards go.


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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

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Frankly if Quebec were to seperate it would give us an opportunity to re-evaluate the free trade agreements we have with "Canada". I hear Canadians complaining about them and I know a lot of Americans now see them as detrimental to our interests.

The NAFTA or any other agreements made with Canada are also valid for Québéc in any sense. Even if the pretty unrealistic case of independance, Québéc would not be isolated and would not have to replace the last 200 years of Canadian diplomacy, they'de take over a large part of its international duties.

As for the initial question by Matt, Mad Michael already answered anything. nations and states do not need to be the same, in fact very often they differ. There are several nations within a state (like in Belgium), or a nation that transcendes state frontiers (like the Basques between France and Spain).
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What about guys like me who live in QC who identify themselves as Canadiens. We are more numerous than the seperatists don't forget. Canada wouldn't be the same with a hole in the middle.
As a Habs fan I would be nearly destroyed if Quebec seperated. The problem is that it sure doesn't bode well for cultural harmony when we need to start recognizing nations within a nation. This issue bothers me more than any this country can drum up. Even as an adolescent I watched the referendum and was just livid, so angry, that we let our nation come to that. This will start it again. Harper is a dolt. We need a leader to bring our entire country together, to make us all proud to be Canadian, although we should be anyway. If the majority don't want to seperate than why is this an issue. Those who want to leave let them move to France. Quebec is part of Canada, same as Nova Scotia, Alberta, BC, NWT, and NFLD. It was one of the founding provinces and there is no debating its importance. It is as equally important as every other province, and that's a lot.
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Do you feel as though it would be possible for them to separate and Canada to promote and help them succeed at it?

That wouldn't be wrong would it?

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What about us? That's right, East Coasters, the all too forgotten bums of the country. So Quebec leaves, now to travel in our own country we need to cross a border. Add a border and the rest of Canada will forget we exist, we'd be left to the highest bidder. Although I am sure the US would love Halifax harbour, and the strategic positioning that they would take us.
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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

Already groups from NFLD, Alberta, and aboriginal groups have started up with "we are distinct nations too". Terrific, way to go Dictator Harper, as I have always said, he is a nation divider. Who is to say every province shouldn't be deemed, "a nation within a nation". It's bullshit. I am a french Canadian sure, but I am Canadian first, I have one nation, my nation is Canada.
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What about us? That's right, East Coasters, the all too forgotten bums of the country. So Quebec leaves, now to travel in our own country we need to cross a border. Add a border and the rest of Canada will forget we exist, we'd be left to the highest bidder. Although I am sure the US would love Halifax harbour, and the strategic positioning that they would take us.

I though you all could just move to AB and work in the mines?

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I though you all could just move to AB and work in the mines?

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Seems to be the trend, but I like the ocean more than the mountains.
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What about us? That's right, East Coasters, the all too forgotten bums of the country. So Quebec leaves, now to travel in our own country we need to cross a border.
Hey, we have to cross through Canada to get to Alaska...

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Add a border and the rest of Canada will forget we exist, we'd be left to the highest bidder. Although I am sure the US would love Halifax harbour, and the strategic positioning that they would take us.
Having spent some time there, yeah, we'd love to have it. To Hell with the strategic positioning; you guys have some pretty damn decent sea food!
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Hey, we have to cross through Canada to get to Alaska...
Haha, I thought about that before I made the post, but decided to anyway. I should suck to have to cross a border to travel in your country.

Having spent some time there, yeah, we'd love to have it. To Hell with the strategic positioning; you guys have some pretty damn decent sea food![/quote]

Well one thing we know how to do well is seafood. Mmmmm, I think I will now have some for dinner.
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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

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WTF? How do you have a nation "within" another nation?

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A question -- Probably a legal question, but what's a nation ?
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A question -- Probably a legal question, but what's a nation ?

In school a nation was a defined as a group of people sharing a common narrative about their collective history.

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China should consider passing a "Quebec Relation Act" or "Scotland Relation Act" to supply necessary weapons for Quebec and Scotland in case that Ottawa and London do not allow them to declare independence.
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China should consider passing a "Quebec Relation Act" or "Scotland Relation Act" to supply necessary weapons for Quebec and Scotland in case that Ottawa and London do not allow them to declare independence.
Quebec and Canada is nothing like Taiwan and China. For one thing, the quebecers have freedom, and no one is trying to take it away from them.
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Re: Quebec is a "nation within Canada"? WTF?

this is bullshit. so much going on in the world like global warming, an aids epidemic, etc and this is what headlines canadian news. what a joke. harper and all the other moronic politicians are waisting everyones time with this symbolic gesture which means absolutely nothing. canada has recently been labeled one of the most polluting countries and doing nothing about it amongst developed countries, and received the "fossil of the day" award at the climate change talks in kenya. Canada labelled 'fossil' at climate change talks

plus, when most of the rest of the world is trying to make an effort to combat the aids epidemic canada also lags behind. TheStar.com - Editorial: PM should keep AIDS promises

what a joke that these fat politicians are discussing this retarded issue when they should be discussing real issues. get off your asses and get to work. especially you harper. looks like canadians voted in their own bush. what a disgrace.
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