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Originally Posted by Imperator
Gracchus, I have something off a parallel to draw... I would think by your name you have at least a rudimentary understanding of roman history, from different angels so here goes- a quick analogy- …I put Gelernter frame of reference ala CR at approx. 110 AD….no one takes much seriously anymore except their own grievances, or asks, gee if we beat every institution into the ground that got us to the point where in we have this much to expend, what will happen when we don’t have that engine and outlook that got us here? I mean who cares, we are drunk on peace, we own the world…..I got my sneakers my big screen etc etc,…
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Well, I named myself for Tiberius Gracchus, not for Cato the Censor. The fact is, a lot of the problems that Romans experienced in the late Republic arose because they failed to upgrade their institutions and customs to deal with the changed material reality that came with empire. That's why they kept having to go outside the law and the unwritten constitution. The Gracchi were maybe the first to see this, the way the enrichment of the Senatorial class and the richest Knights had driven a lot of small farmers off their land and created a class of urban poor, and they proposed unprecedented actions to deal with this unprecedented situation. After them, the system kept breaking down and having to be patched, with Marius' multiple successive consulships, Sulla's dictatorship, Pompey's repeated special commands and privileges, the First Triumvirate, Caesar's dictatorship for life, and finally the transformation into a disguised monarchy under Augustus. If the Romans had been less conservative, more willing to change, the Republic might have survived in altered form.
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The point is the post CR folks don’t have any idea of the struggle that went on before them nor are they really interested
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Unless they're particularly into history, why should they be? Really, it's axiomatic that the previous crisis era gives no clues as to how to deal with the current one, or what changes should be made. Imagine that you were a young man facing the Depression in the 1930s. Maybe a Brain Truster in FDR's administration. The crisis era before that one was the Civil War and Reconstruction. How many lessons could arise from that period that had any relevance to the economic breakdown followed by global war that people faced in FDR's time? Slavery wasn't an issue, nor were states trying to secede, sectionalism still existed but it was under control and hardly the main problem. One problem the Civil War solved was that the forces of industry had been partly shackled in the interested of protecting the planter class against the rising commercial elite -- but since the problem in the Depression arose from capitalism run amok, setting industry free was hardly the right approach.
I guess I can understand feeling like young people today don't understand the struggles we faced back in the day, but surely every generation feels that way. I know I heard plenty of that from my parents and uncles and aunts when I was young.
Only 48, eh? Still a baby . . .