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I am often told by friends that I am flypaper for freaks. I suppose they are correct.
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I am often told by friends that I am flypaper for freaks. I suppose they are correct.
Because you're sticky? I luuuuzzzz sticky.
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OMG. The indoctrination is complete; He is the Light. Cults creep me and most others out.
It's really exciting.....

Obaaaama will bring world peace, solve global warming, feed the world's starving, cure Aids, then cancer, will create a job for everyone on the planet - for those who want to work, for those who do not want to work, he will create money (without taxing the workers) to pay those people who can't be assed to work.

Then, he's gonna raise the dead.

It's gonna be brilliant...... and really scary for those of us who actually live in the real world!
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Re: Obama's Magic

Hmmm...

So how's the strategy of trying to pin nonsense on your opponent working out for you folks? Let's just take a look and see:

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Keep it up! You're doing GREAT.

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Then, he's gonna raise the dead.
I hope he brings my Dad back, I really miss him
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Re: Obama's Magic

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Look, it simply isn't true that 40% of working families pay no taxes. Therefore, there's nothing misleading about saying that 95% of working families will get a tax cut. He's not excluding anyone. It's only meaningful to talk about tax cuts for people who are paying taxes to start with. 95% of people who have jobs will get a tax cut, is what it comes down to. If you're a little kid who's being supported by your parents, you won't get a tax cut, but your mom and dad will.

Since that 40% figure includes that little kid, which no common-sense approach would include when figuring out who gets a cut because DUH! -- of COURSE little kids who don't have jobs won't get a cut -- that's the misleading one. In fact, that 40% figure is VERY misleading, because at first glance it looks like there's a whole lot of people out there in the lower end of the pay scales who are working full-time jobs but pay no taxes.

And that's just total bullshit.


NO, its not bullshit much as you would like it to be. And there are a lot of people in the lower pay scales sho dont pay INCOME taxes, those taxes BHO is referring to when he talks about tax breaks. And a bunch of them get refundable tax credits which mean just a check as they pay no tax.

Now most everyone pays sales taxes (of a national variety ala gas tax), excise taxes and tarrifs as a component of the price of things people buy. But what BHO is talking about are income taxes.
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I hope he brings my Dad back, I really miss him

I miss my folks too but I'm content to wait and see them again in the regular way.
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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

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“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”
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For some reason you post reminds me of this: Barack the magic negro.


Not surprizing, can't mention Obama in anything other than a messianic light without being called a racist.
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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”
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Not surprizing, can't mention Obama in anything other than a messianic light without being called a racist.
No, I think it's more because both titles have magic in them. Barack the magic negro, lives in DC!!!!
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NO, its not bullshit much as you would like it to be.
There was nothing in those tables to show that 40% of workers pay no income tax. All it was talking about was what percentage of federal taxes is paid by which income brackets. There was no indication that ANYONE pays no income tax at all, although it's true some people are so poor they don't. It's just nowhere near 40%. In fact, it's nowhere near 10%.

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And there are a lot of people in the lower pay scales sho dont pay INCOME taxes
Income tax is what I was talking about, and no, you're wrong, there aren't. If you include all taxes of any sort, then there's no such thing as a working person who pays no taxes.

Daddio, look at the tax tables and the personal deductions and exemptions. In order to have zero or less taxable income as a single person, you need to make no more than $8,750 per year. Current federal minimum wage is $5.85 per hour, so a full-time minimum-wage worker makes $12,168 a year, and so pays taxes. A part-time, 20-hour minimum wage worker would make $6,084 a year and so would pay no income tax -- but even that's not very far from the margin. Thus, you are apparently claiming here that 40% of American workers are half-time minimum-wage workers, or the equivalent.

I'm sorry. That's bullshit.
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There was nothing in those tables to show that 40% of workers pay no income tax. All it was talking about was what percentage of federal taxes is paid by which income brackets. There was no indication that ANYONE pays no income tax at all, although it's true some people are so poor they don't. It's just nowhere near 40%. In fact, it's nowhere near 10%.



Income tax is what I was talking about, and no, you're wrong, there aren't. If you include all taxes of any sort, then there's no such thing as a working person who pays no taxes.

Daddio, look at the tax tables and the personal deductions and exemptions. In order to have zero or less taxable income as a single person, you need to make no more than $8,750 per year. Current federal minimum wage is $5.85 per hour, so a full-time minimum-wage worker makes $12,168 a year, and so pays taxes. A part-time, 20-hour minimum wage worker would make $6,084 a year and so would pay no income tax -- but even that's not very far from the margin. Thus, you are apparently claiming here that 40% of American workers are half-time minimum-wage workers, or the equivalent.

I'm sorry. That's bullshit.


You can look at tax tables (theoretical) or you can look at tax returns (actual), my link is based on actual.

In as much as BHO is referring to income tax (income tax) as opposed to payroll tax (income tax, FICA, SSN) your little diversion is your own.

The only percentage I don't have is how many among those bottom 50% get earned income tax credits but I do know that of BHO gets his way it will be a greater percentage.
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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

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“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”
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You can look at tax tables (theoretical) or you can look at tax returns (actual), my link is based on actual.
But your link did not answer the question, which is NOT "what percentage of federal taxes is paid by which income brackets," but "what percentage of workers pay no income tax at all." Are you incapable of seeing the difference between those two questions, or that the one has no bearing on the other? Unless, of course, the percentage paid in the lowest bracket is zero, which it isn't.

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In as much as BHO is referring to income tax (income tax) as opposed to payroll tax (income tax, FICA, SSN) your little diversion is your own.
Inasmuch as I was also referring to income tax as opposed to payroll tax, no, it's yours, too.

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The only percentage I don't have is how many among those bottom 50% get earned income tax credits
Wrong. That's not the only thing you don't have. You also don't have anything -- not one word, not one figure -- to indicate how many in that bottom 50% pay no taxes. And since that is the ONLY thing that can support your assertion that 40% of workers pay no income tax, you have literally nothing whatsoever, and your link is pure smoke and mirrors, supporting nothing you have claimed in any way whatsoever.

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but I do know that of BHO gets his way it will be a greater percentage.
Maybe. I'd have to look at the plans details more closely to figure it out. But that, too, has no bearing on your claim that 40% of workers pay no income tax.
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But your link did not answer the question, which is NOT "what percentage of federal taxes is paid by which income brackets," but "what percentage of workers pay no income tax at all." Are you incapable of seeing the difference between those two questions, or that the one has no bearing on the other? Unless, of course, the percentage paid in the lowest bracket is zero, which it isn't.



Inasmuch as I was also referring to income tax as opposed to payroll tax, no, it's yours, too.



Wrong. That's not the only thing you don't have. You also don't have anything -- not one word, not one figure -- to indicate how many in that bottom 50% pay no taxes. And since that is the ONLY thing that can support your assertion that 40% of workers pay no income tax, you have literally nothing whatsoever, and your link is pure smoke and mirrors, supporting nothing you have claimed in any way whatsoever.



Maybe. I'd have to look at the plans details more closely to figure it out. But that, too, has no bearing on your claim that 40% of workers pay no income tax.


Perhaps you would like to offer something more than your opinion ?
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Socialism doesn't create a rising tide that lifts all boats. It drains the lake and teaches the boat riders not to help themselves by rowing.

“What's the difference between Sarah Palin and Barack Obama?”

“One is a well turned-out, good-looking, and let's be honest, pretty sexy piece of eye-candy.

“The other kills her own food.”
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Perhaps you would like to offer something more than your opinion ?
How about this?:

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Perhaps you would like to offer something more than your opinion ?
Why? What more is needed? You made an absolutely preposterous assertion (that 40% of working people pay no income tax), and the only thing you've offered in support of it is a set of statistics having nothing to do with it.

There's really nothing there to refute.
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