14. Stock market profit came from the buyers not from the company.

Fallacy 4. "Company did spend their profit in stock market. Some of them bought the stock of their own company."

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Answer. This is a typical problem how CEO of companies abusing their power. Yes, some companies did buy the stock of their own to boost the stock price. But remember the money they spent were the profit of company. It belongs to shareholders. The money should be distribute to shareholders as divident. But the CEO intercepted the profit to manipulate the stock market. They don't work for the interest of shareholders but for the interest of inside group.

So there is an important opinion you must know: that the profit gain from the stock market is not from the company but from the later buyers. (potential loser)

An individual company may gain a good profit. That profit won't play the role to raise the gain in stock trading. The company profit is paid to stock holders as divident. Whatever the media tell you the economy is good, the fact of current situation is: The average divident rate of stock market is 1.5%. You invest 10 dollars in stock, the average divident income is 15 cents per year.

Then how can you have a 11% annual gain in stock market trading? It's from the money of other buyers. When you bought "Google" at $100 a share and sold it at $300, keep in mind that it's not the "google" company paid you the $300 but another buyer paid it. So it's the other buyers' investment let you make money.

This is a point very important. Not the Company profit but the continueing coming investment push up the stock market.

To make it more easy to understand, the trading stock worth at $100,(or you can say it's 100 billion) next year new investment coming at $111, (or 111 billion) then there is a 11% growing up rate. Because government pushed the pension fund into the market these years, so you saw an average 11% gain each year. It only means more and more pension money became paper. Money was harvested by sellers. What left for later buyers are only stock papers, (they hope new buyers will take it over with even higher price).

What is the current stock market? A bunch of papers. The stock holders exchanged them with their pension fund. (with 10 years, 20years...even 40 years of their pension fund). If they want to cash these papers, who had that much money? That's why Bush desperately to push the S.S. fund to save the market from collapse.

If the Privatization succeed, it only delay the crisis from expoision but make the balloon bigger. The young generation will be the victim because Bush lured them to take over the hot potato(stock paper) with their retirement fund.

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To justify the coming rigged election

Arnold was totally lost all his special props in this special election. It looks like a defeat to GOP.

From another angle to see this special election. It could be a trick to re-build public's confidence about voting.

A lot of people are suspecious and lost confidence on election, thinking it was rigged when an unpopular Bush could be elected twice and Arnold could steal the seat of California Governor.

So they prepared this special election. Anyhow the issues were not so important. The puppet of the Inside group are still on the chair. War is still going on. They won't lose anything even if they lose the proposal measures. But they made people believe the voting system works fair. A sweet candy to deceive voters come again.

But the Inside group won't give up important election. Bloomberg is elected Mayor. New York is too big a city to be lost. The others became a cover up.

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Quote, "Sympathetic Vibrations
By Chris Cillizza and Peter Slevin
Sunday, November 27, 2005; A04

Seventy percent of people surveyed said that criticism of the war by Democratic senators hurts troop morale "

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...600745_pf.html

Poll is a tool used to control public's mind by the Inside group. The number is manipulated to express Feds' intention not the people's.
This message is a typical propaganda of this tactic.

Bush's approve rate is in histrical low, that was from the mainstream media. The main reason is his unpopular Iraq war policy. The media also said more than half of Americans don't approve this war and want US troops withdraw from Iraq. How could 70% Americans said it hurt morale of troop? Are they saying themselves hurting US troops?

What a conflict.

When the Inside group see there is a growing up wave of anti-war, they hurridly throw out a "poll" to block this movement. Despite there is a logic conflict.

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"U.S. Military Covertly Pays to Run Stories in Iraqi Press. "

What's bizarre? The whole media of USA are doing the same way. When they want to start a war, most Americans get the "WMD" and "Imminent threat from Iraq" from the "information operation" workshop of government. Despite the reality that Iraq was so weak a country after it was defeated in 1st Gulf war and after more than ten years' sanction.

They even believe the mice is a threat to a cat. That's the strength of propaganda. It's amazing people are still so ignorant even after the "WMD" trick and the two rigged president election.

What happens in Iraq has been applied on US already. It's ridiculous people are so shock at this news. They themselves have been enjoying this "freedom" already.

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A lip service

Quote, ""It is true that much of the intelligence turned out to be wrong,'' Bush said. ``As president, I'm responsible for the decision to go into Iraq.'' "

What "responsibility" is it? A resignation? A cut of salary? A withdraw plan?

We heard he took responsibility for the slow reaction to the Katrina hurricane. Three months later, what has he done? I only heard that refugee's hotel expense will be cut soon. Is there any plan to help then? Where is the plan to re-build New Orleans?

Now once again he said he would take responsibility of that war caused by wrong information. Where is the plan to withdraw from Iraq? Where is the plan to re-build Iraq? And why until now there is no investigation how the "wrong information" caused the war. What the role he played in it?

Fiorina didn't run HP well. She was ousted. Steward traded four thousands shares by inside information.She took a prison sentence. CEO of World.com abused their powers, they are in jail. What does Bush take for the loss of thousands lives and the mis-spent of huge amount of money?

His responsibility is only a lip service. "I take the responsibility." That's all. Too easy to take it by a word. If he really think he should be responsible for those innocence who lost their lives in this unnecessary war, and hundred billions of tax-payers' dollars wasted in a black hole with no bottom. He should step down.

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This is from that conservative poster from the first page of this thread:

Sergeant Calley was pardoned by Nixon years after the May Lai massacre and never served the full sentence, which did not reflect the crime anyways, you Republican Whore.

As for 20th Century American Politics...

The Republicans had a strong hold on US government from the end of the Civil War (because they were on the winning side) to the Great Depression. They, more than any other party, represented the will of 'big business'. The Democratic party during this time, had its main source of power in the South (because they supported States rights in Civil War) and for a time tried to gain support from the Labor Movement that was raging from before the turn of the Century. The United States politics took a big change during the Great Depression of the 1930s. Franklin Delano Roosevelt took advantage of the bad time to win the 1932 election on a platform that criticized Republican respnses. He instituted reforms that represented the governments first attempt to reach out directly to the lower classes of American society, which were on the verge of open rebellion. His policies gave the Democratic Party such support that they maintained control over the congress most of the time until 1994. WWII brought American involvement into Foreign Affairs permanently.

But the biggest affect on American Politics Today, more so than any other event (I think) is the Cold War. Harry S. Truman went absolutely nuts when the Russians simply did what they have been negotiating for through out WWII, took steps to bring Eastern Europe to Soviet Hegemony. Truman, feeling that American Domination of the Western Europe, Middle East, Japan, China and Southeast Asia wasn't imperialistic, claimed that the Soviets were a threat to the United States. He bolstered up military spending to War levels for the first time in peace time. The Soviets felt the snub from US's post-war aid and felt threatened due to the absolute devestation wrought on the Russian landscape during the War. Truman's 'Get tought' policies propagated the Cold War, which dominated the American psyche for the next fourty years

Communism, ever since the Russian Revoltion of 1918, has always been a scapegoat of American Politicians. When the Soviets made there much-expected move on Eastern Europe, the marketing campaign against communism reached War Time Propaganda proportions. The Korean War brought the tension to a boiling point. Republicans (tending to support more business interests) had the most anti-communsist politicians the US has ever known: Nixon, McCarthy, Goldwater and etc. The Democrats were no angels (they tended to support the New Deal Reforms of FDR) and also had some noteworthy hawks: Truman and Kennedy. The result of environment was an overwhelming increase in the power of the executive branch and the formation of the 'Cold War Mentality'. The mentality was so powerful that billions of dollars and millions of lives were taken for the sake of not 'appeasing' to the communists. Eisenhower, though rhetorically more polite than Truman, increased military spending far more than Truman ever did. The CIA, under Eisenhower's green light, overthrew governments in Iran and Latin America to replace them with American Puppets (covertly, without the US publics knowledge). Eisenhower increased foreign aid to support anti-communist regimes and to sway neutrally aligned nations. He also built up the aid to the education of US technical education to support the self-sufficiency of US industry. The monster of Beaurocracy and Cold War Mentality that Eisenhower help created, must of caused him at least a little guilt because he mentioned some of it in his farewell address. He spoke of the creation of the military industrial complex, and warned of the dangers of a national security state. I believe it around this time in history that the major corporations of America, partly responsible for the ani-communist attitude, became exponetially more powerful in the American Government.

I'm tired of spewing my version of US history, but my basic point (i'll finish the 20th Cent later) is that the Cold War has created a lot undemocratic policies and traditions that influenced the US Government in a very bad way. I will eventually parrelell George W's demonization of Islamic Fundamentalism to Truman's/capitalists demonization of Communism. Both were marketed to the American Public in very crude ways, in order to manipulate them for other purposes. GW is a child of the Cold War (Baby Boomer) generation and, seeing that he isn't an intellectual (or admires anything of that sort), sees things in the same way politicians did generations ago.

Its absolutely sickening to me.

Maybe its the way US History was taught to me (Howard Zinn's A People's History of The United States) but I have yet to find an equally researched counter-opinion.

The sentiments of Bob Dylan in 1963 articulate my feelings completely:

I know my presentation of facts in this post are very opiniated and biased, but this is how I think. I am part of this forum so I can discover arguments that are backed up as much as/more than Howard Zinn's. I would appreciate it if anybody could offer it.

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A lie with no foundation

President Bush Job Approval (12/23/05)

Quote, "Updated Daily by Noon Eastern

Friday December 23, 2005--Fifty percent (50%) of American adults approve of the way George W. Bush is performing his role as President. That's up six points since the President's speech on Sunday night."

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/Bush_Job_Approval.htm

A typical mind control through media. How easy they manipulate a poll number to reach their goal.

An incompetent President who didn't know how to deal a disaster caused by hurricane. A totalitrian ruler who despites the civil liberty and monitor its own citizens. He is responsible for an unnecessary war which caused a huge loss of lives. Yet it's so easy to award him a ten points raise in poll.

Why? Because Feds (D.O.J.) wants to permanent the Patriot Act. They need a strong puppet President to support it. So they strengthen him with a rigged poll number.

Not only this. Insurgence and terrorist are cooperated too. Have you ever heard any "sucide" bombing recently? Or US soldiers' casulty? Either insurgence cooperated with puppet Iraqi government, or US media have censored the bad news to give you an expression there is a successful election in Iraq. The purpose is to support the notorious Bush.

The inside group used to extort by terror attack. With 911 and anthrax attack they got Patriot Act. With insurgence they find excuse to stay in Iraq until the next mid-east war. It's not a news that the controlled media issue government favourable articles and rigged poll produced by "information operation office".

This is why there is a peaceful Iraq these days(until now when I wrote this article) and several rigged poll to promote the President. Include this sudden jump approve rate. The Washington Post and the ABC followed the order to pull the number to 46% but shy to raise it anymore. They left it for rasmussenreports for the 50%. The brand name media took a little care of thier popularity anyhow.

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Another poll in MSN at same time shows that 85% people want Bush impeached.

Do you believe President Bush's actions justify impeachment?
* 134522 responses Yes, between the secret spying, the deceptions leading to war and more, there is plenty to justify putting him on trial. 85%


No, like any president, he has made a few missteps, but nothing approaching "high crimes and misdemeanors." 5%

No, the man has done absolutely nothing wrong. Impeachment would just be a political lynching. 8%

I don't know. 2%

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/10562904#survey

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How illustrative on how much the Surrendercrats hate any kind of good news.
People feel the President is doing a good job because they feel good.
That is bad for Surrendercrats who are out of power and out of luck.
Sorry, the war in Iraq is going just fine, the economy is going like gangbusters, and the nation feels good.
Only the Surrendercrats give a crap about the spying charges.
Bad news for you bad news folks.
Happy New Year and practice up on your "they stole another election" whine.

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Democrats voted us into Iraq and Democrats voted to keep us in Iraq!
Hello Democrats? What's your problem?

White folks need to take better care of Black folks.

I love America but fear it's socialist government

Democrats have no interest in defending America!

Filibuster the Patriot Act

Bush said: "That decision is irresponsible and it endangers the lives of our citizens. The senators who are filibustering must stop their delaying tactics and the Senate must reauthorize the Patriot Act,"

The fact is:

That decision to have war with Iraq is irresponsible and it endangers the lives of our citizens. Bush has admitted the war is based on "wrong" information. then why he insisted to go on a wrong war? He should be responsible for the loss of lives of innocent Iraqi people and 2200 dead US soldiers.

That accusation on Senators who oppose the Patriot Act is irresponsible and it endangers the civil liberty of American people. Bush perpetrates civil right by secret ordering to eavesdrop US citizens. If he is to bring "freedom" to Iraq as he has said, how can he destroy the "freedom "in domestic first?

Bush had tried to legalize the "torture" for CIA. The scandal of torture continuously broke out in his presidency. He despite international law and common value of humanity. The popularity of US has sunken to the bottom.

Bush violates law but label others irresponsible, help enemy..... He behaves more like a dictator. He should be impeached.

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PATRICK 324 You wrote:

Nonsense. The dems are the party of big government, big taxes, socialization of health care, big regulation, anti-federalism, anti-constitutionalism, surrender of national sovereignty, obliteration of national identity, abortion on demand, the racial spoils system, special privileges for dem ethnic and other constituencies, opposition to free speech, and anti-religious bigotry among many other things -- there's LOTS of difference. That used to be true. but they have now become like two hometown football teams, Each decrying that they are the better, but each doing the same things, and usually trying to get the same results. Tell me, How much "BIGGER "can government get than what we have with the Bush administration????

That's absolutely true -----IN science fiction

THANK YOU I (WE) needed that

Bloody hell! For some reason I read "uranium foil" there and thought you talked about constructing a nuke...

It was step #5 that gave me a clue about where I went wrong.

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While I'm no conspiracy theorist, I'm not fond of the two-party system either. There's so much gerrymandering that it is impossible for any competing parties to arise and challenge the ruling Republicrats. Right now, I'm thinking that the only solution is to make like the Sunnis and boycott elections. Imagine if there was only 30% turnout in a presidential election; that would humiliate the Republicrats and might inspire them to have a more open election process (e.g. proportional representation, instant-runoff voting, etc.)

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Don't you think it would rather encourage them to make sure the 30% that still vote are their voters? That's the much easier way it seems.
As far as I understand American politics it's only the majority that counts, not its legitimacy or how you get there. So what do they have to gain from a more open process, instead of a greater chance of actually losing?

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