Stephen M. St. John
Precursors to Remote-Controlled Flights of 9/11?
Tue May 2, 2006 18:17

The 9/11 Commissioners ignored indications of remote control piloting of the jets of 9/11 brought forward by retired Army Colonel Donn de Grand Pre (among others), who had convened within days of 9/11 a meeting of military, commercial and civilian aviators and experts. Their conclusions, which De Grand Pre reported to the highest levels of the Pentagon, were that the jets of 9/11 could not possibly have been flown the way they were flown by Arab flight students and that the best explanation for these flights was that they were flown by remote control during the peak activities of multiple NORAD drills.

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Sen Specter readies bill to help Bush expanding his fascist power to monitor people without court approval.

No check and balance for Bush if the bill past.

The secret wiretapping program is a violation to the Constitution, circumvents the law on secret-intelligence wiretaps and is clearly a unilateral power grab by the president.

Quote, "Stop the presidential power grab

Sen. Arlen Specter has crafted a bill that would rubber-stamp the program. Worse, it would essentially embed into federal law the notion that the president has the power under the Constitution to conduct electronic surveillance on anyone he wants, indefinitely and without judicial oversight, making a mockery of the right to privacy. The bill could come before the Senate Judiciary Committee as early as Thursday and must be defeated.

.... If the Specter bill becomes law, court orders will no longer be required for electronic surveillance of ordinary Americans. Because wiretaps would be secret, their targets would never find out they were monitored, even if they were deemed to be innocent. It would be up to the American people to trust the government's claims that it is only monitoring terrorists. In short, it would be an invitation to wholesale abuses of power and to the return of the politically motivated domestic spying that was commonplace int 1960s and 1970s. " (Mercury News 8/2/2006)

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Lieberman is an important warrior of the Inside group. hawkish on the war, adamantly pro-Israel; support Bush's policy to privatise the Social Security.... He is more a Bush camp member than a Demo. If his is honest, he should apply for a Republican Senator instead of stealing a seat in Demo's.
What he did is always for the interest of that group.

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love the cartoon.

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Peace Out

Posturing does not equal proper representation.

Both political parties represent first those who financed their campaigns.

Those who are paying the bills are not average Joes, since average Joes cannot afford to finance political campaigns.

Thus both parties actually place first in their priorities the priviledged class and large oragnizations that can afford to finance their campaigns.

Both parties are the same in this respect. That is who is really in charge.

Indeed selling parties during campaigns is all based on FUD. The monies collected for the campaigns is used to hoodwink voters into voting for a party, by posturing that creates the impression of being concerned about the things that concern the average Joe, while dodging the things that really concern the average Joe, such as why his purcahsing power is declining year over year, why his taxes keep going up, why it is getting harder to find an decent paying job that does not require a college education. or why his right and freedoms are constantly being erroded.

Both parties are the same in this respect.

After, getting elected either party acts as one under the threat of the party whip. Individual representation for contituencies is undermined. Since one or the other party will form a majority, this undermines the very concept of democracy.

Both parties are also the same in this respect.

Just as pornography has become more and more prevently and boldfaced, by increments, both parties have created an evironment that lavishes vast new wealth on the already wealthy, while destroying the middle class and reducing the purchasing power of all others.

fudfree

Bush's "Lie workshop" is working.

Quote, "Taking a swing at conventional wisdom, Princeton professors Gene Grossman and Esteban Rossi-Hansberg argued that wages for the least-skilled blue collar jobs had been rising since 1997 as outsourcing boosted productivity."
http://forums.miami.com/n/mb/message...=18411.1&ctx=1

Typical pundit work for the Bush administration.

1. The job outsourcing only benefit the rich people of big company. They only pay tenth of salary to the foreign employee then they would have to pay to domestic employee.

2. There is no reason to say the job done by the domestic employee is worse than the job done overseas. Do you think US engineers are dumber than the foreigner's? Will their job pull down productivity? No, the point is the company can pay less money by out sourcing the job.

3. Though this is a very simple matter that if you give the job away, it's a loss of domestic working force and the beneficiary is the foreign receiver. this government still try to defend their "for rich people only" policy by finding some fallacy created by corruptive pundit. They thought people are tame sheep easily to be cheated.

Keep in mind those who actively spread such kind of misinformation.

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The recent psychological operation for November election.

First it's "United 93", then it's Oliver Stone's "World Trade Center", now it's the "Path to 911", plus NYC's new released 5 years old 911 tape to let you hear victim's call for help, and 5 years old Bin Laden tape ...... All these visual and audio impact, aimed at your mind. When you repeatedly saw the collapsing of WTC and heard the voice of "help".

Now you realize what is a psyop? This govenment is a psychological expert. Bit by bit they want to remind you that Bush is correct. The prupose is for the coming mid-term election.

One thing else is to realize the true face of the media. It is only a tool of the inside group. They never ask a question about the flaw of 911 attack. Which a lot of people think is done by government insider.

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Chavez is brave enough to speak up against a super power, a war criminal. At this point, he is admirable.

You can't view him from the level of some coward who shy to express their kissing ass feeling but hurry to discredit in the name of "patriot", let alone those hypocrites who dress in "gentlemen and ladies" suit in the name of "education" but with a bloody hand of massacre in Iraq.

To find a devil is easy. Check the hands of Chavez and Bush, which is tainted with blood.

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This Pope must be a hypocrite. If he quoted a reference of 14th century, people have more reason to quote the religious Court at that time when they said the Earth was the center of the Universe. The Religious Court burned a scientist to death because he believed the Earth moved around the Sun.

Will he refer something about crusade link to Bush? And medieval torture which Bush tried to legalize?

Benedict XVI lacks of the morality of a leader, the justice of a judge and political wisdom to be a Pope.

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Why there was no fighter to intercept the hijacked plane on 911?

Quote, "CENTCOM Sergeant Details Traitorous Stand Down Orders On 9/11
Military whistleblower comes forward with key information
Steve Watson / Infowars | September 26 2006

Alex Jones was joined on air yesterday by a former Sergeant in the United States Army named Lauro "LJ" Chavez. Chavez was stationed at MacDill AFB where he claims he witnessed unusual preparations for a potential airplane hitting the base on the morning of 9/11 and distinctly heard officers talking about a stand down. This has led him to go public in questioning the NORAD stand down and the demolition of the twin towers.

Chavez proceeded to detail the key discussions that he heard inside the bunker on the day of 9/11:

"I didn't get to see tower one hit, I was in there talking with individuals and i was tired, I'd been there since four in the morning. Then all of a sudden everybody started hustling and bustling. it was like NASA when Apollo 13 was about to crash, everybody running around, and then they put it on the big screen, CNN with the tower on fire.

Then we see the other plane come in and hit it and at that point everybody is standing up. The air force had commanders in contact with NORAD. The plane, or whatever, hit the Pentagon and then we were like 'Why aren't they scrambling jets?' We were asking, there was eight or nine people... Colonels and Lieutenant Colonels asking the Lieutenant Colonel in charge of the air force 'why isn't NORAD scrambling jets? and he said 'we received an order to stand down''. And that just perplexed everybody."

Mr Chavez did not know the Lieutenant Colonel and so does not know his name, yet if he can be identified, then we have uncovered a direct link to the stand down order. If that man or any others who were present at CENTCOM on 9/11 can be identified and made to testify under oath, then the whole cover operation could be blown. A real independent investigation would have secured this.

The entire riveting interview is freely available online at Prisonplanet.tv now. Please spread this information far and wide.

Mr Chavez has since been informed that the computer company he now works for, as information security manager, has been receiving threatening phone calls demanding his dismissal. Mr Chavez is another example of someone who is bravely putting his career, reputation and life on the line to get the truth out about the 9/11 cover up.

http://infowars.net/articles/Septemb...0906Chavez.htm

I think the above information is truth. Because I was blocked to post it in some other sites. My stituation is a special. I am monitored by a surveillance team with a server. This information was blocked before I could send it out. A direct censorship from the agent. If they are so sensitive on this one, then it is truth. They are afraid of it.

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By common sense (to those conveniently blinded by government propaganda)

Ten bus piled up to form a tower. (each represent 10 floors of WTC) The second one to the top had a fire. Will the whole tower collapse? For common sense, the bottom eight won't be affected. Because the construction was designed to bear more weight then 100 floors of building.

Yet it collapsed like a free fall. (One demolished in 10 seconds and the other one in 10.5 seconds)

If you play building blocks and pile up a 100 floor tower. What will happen if you take away the blocks at the corner of 83th floor? (One building of WTC was hit at the corner) It will collapse to the side where one corner is missing. (Suppose everything went on as government said that fire melt the iron beam.)

Yet, the building demolished like a free fall in straight way. Beware that from the beginning when the building were hit by plane, the construction structure kept in straight way and supported the whole without any shaking.)

It was a fire getting smaller and off. Unlike other fire which got bigger and bigger because other burning material added in to help increasing fire (like a wooden house), the WTC fire got smaller and off when the fuel burned out. There was no additional burning material to join. Iron beam won't burn. So after ten to twenty minutes when the flame was off, the temperature should decline. How could the building collapse one hour later?

There were two camp fires to boil the water. One was a wood burning fire with wood continually adding in. (normal fire ) One hour later, the water boiled.
The other one was a bowl of gas as burning material. After twenty minutes, the fire was off because there was no more burning material. one hour later, what do you think of the the water? boiled or cooled?

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Bush and Lieberman, American zionists

He starts war in Mid-east, for the security of Israel. And he wants more (Iran and Syria) Bush doesn't care for the interest of US. He let American fight and die for his master. Says it's for Freedom. He is not a Republican. He is an American Zionist like Joe Lieberman. (Who is not a Demo, too). Both party now start to realize it. The reddest state rises to slam Bush.

Re: Salt Lake City, Utah mayor slams 'dishonest, war-mongering' Bush

David Edwards
Published: Thursday August 31, 2006

During a rally held in Salt Lake City yesterday, thousands cheered Salt Lake City Mayor Rocky Anderson as he blasted George Bush as a "dishonest, war-mongering, human-rights-violating president."

Utah is considered to be the "reddest" state, showing that there is growing debate about the Iraq war even in friendly Bush territory.

http://www.rawstory.com/news/2006/Vi...eads_0831.html

Re: "Bush breaks rank to boost independent's bid
18 August 2006

WASHINGTON — President George Bush gave a boost to Connecticut senator Joe Lieberman's re-election bid as an independent this week by taking the rare step of refusing to endorse the Republican candidate running for Lieberman's US senate seat.

It is highly unusual for a sitting president not to endorse a senate candidate from his own party and suggests the depth of the political machinations over Lieberman's seat after his defeat in last week's Democratic primary by Ned Lamont, a well-financed challenger running on an antiwar platform.

http://www.businessday.co.za/article...?ID=BD4A252493

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I'll agree there. Your situation is plenty "special".

Please, dark forces, get on with it.......

Matt

The column which carried my thread "Law enforcement agent, a threat to democracy" disappeared from the list. I tried to locate it by search, only got a page said:

"$bbuserinfo[username], you do not have permission to access this page. This could be due to one of several reasons:

The search feature has been turned off at this time for non-contributing members due to server load. If it becomes possible to turn this on in the future for all members then we will do so.
Your user account may not have sufficient privileges to access this page. Are you trying to edit someone else's post, access administrative features or some other privileged system?
If you are trying to post, the administrator may have disabled your account, or it may be awaiting activation. "

It's ridiculous to be treated like that. Is tht a special situation? Anyone can tell me where my thread goes?

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Nobody dares to answer the question. What a police state! People know the internet is under surveillance. Yet, they talk about three different powers, election, humanity. Is that hypocrite?

Since old thread is missing, I start another one "The dark side of the US" in column "Humanities issues". I think the problem was due to the revelation of "dirty bomb attack". Which is described in message "447. Dirty bomb and Iran war (11/10/06)". I encounter a lot of harassment to post this message, include in this forum.

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