A stage of "hanging on", waiting for the next super 911 for another war.
How can Bush has US troops stay in Iraq? When he has excuse of "maintain security" there. That's why US and Israel intelligence and pentagon manipulate Al Qaida and insurgence and death squad to create a riot over there.

Why Bush wants a surge when "civil war" is created by himself? Remember the time he needs surge was the time when he plans to attack Iran. He needs more troop for the Iran war.

The Capital Hill resolution is only a show to convince American people they are in "democracy". Does it do anything on Bush? No. He still has troops added up in Iraq. They hang on at a "veto". All the players now are waiting for is another super 911 attack. Once that happens, Bush again will be a hero and Americans will lose more money and lives and civil rights to that Inside group.

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If Feds call you and defame my message, it is a tactic of intimidation. They don't want people know the fact.
It also proves what I wrote are truth. They are afraid of it.

I am of the opinion, that the party of massive deficits should take some time off next election cycle to better formulate their supply side economics theories. Maybe they will come up with a solution for fiscal responsibility and limited government, by privatizing the "Wars" on drugs and terror, instead of merely reducing funding for social programs that promote the general welfare.

Hey just an idea for you guys. If your interested in getting rid of the patriot act and reinstating the constitution. Ya might be interested in ron paul. Do yourself a favor check his issues out at ronpaul2008.com. His record supports his opinions. Hes known in congress as dr no because he consistantly votes against any bills that violates the constitution in any way. His following included liberal,conservative and independant. Last time he ran in the early 90's be came in third so he actually has a chance. After we get this guy in office we can go back to arguing over parties. Whether you agree with all of his opinions or not, if you look at his record you'll see that he votes with his beliefs and will not back down. Don't fall for some guy just because he looks presidential this guy (ron paul) is honest, something that cant be said for the rest of the candidates, whether on republican or democratic side. Preserve our nation people this guy is not in any corporations back pocket. He refuses to accept money from them. The very fact that a candidate is in surplus of 50 million. This alone should be seen as a bad thing. Think about it where do you think all that money came from? Probably corporations, which means they are not representing the people but big business. Just check him out if you disagree so be it but give him the opportunity at least to try and convince you. ronpaul2008.com Whatever you decide its your right as an american and remember even if you dont agree with all of his issues, theres still other branches of government that any bill he tries to pass needs to go through. He is the only candidate that is for the complete restoration of america through the revival of the constitution. When the constitution was decreed i believe it was franklin who said to the people "we've given you a republic if you can keep it". we've almost lost it. At the debate when all the other candidates were invoking reagan, what was never mentioned was that ron paul was one of 4 republicans the endorsed reagan for presidency. So it can be said that paul was a reaganite before reaganite's were cool.

What do you think of the current warfare-state economic model of running massive deficits, for the greater glory of the republic; instead of using more market friendly public policies of a welfare-state economic model, to promote the general Welfare of the republic?

If he is the man like what you said, then he has no chance. You must know that this is a covert totalitarian country. They control media and intelligence. To get war, money and power, they activated false flag attack such like 911, anthrax attack (to push the passing through of Patriot Act) DC area shooting spree (to push the passing through of Iraq war bill) .... How can they allow such a man to adjust their policy?

He can exist because he belongs to no sheep group, (those who follow the order of the inside group) He could never do anything in check and balance even he has the support of people. If there is really a chance for him, then you will see he will fall down in mid-way. Remember Howard Dean?

Believe me, this is a covert totalitarian country. The election is manipulated by the Inside group. They choose their candidate by rigged election (through intelligence) and justify the result by poll.(through media)

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If Feds call you and defame my message, it is a tactic of intimidation. They don't want people know the fact.
It also proves what I wrote are truth. They are afraid of it.

Why would the People's Committee of the Inside Group, be more interested electing candidates that have no socioeconomic solutions to our current problems; and, instead must rely on an inefficient "socialized" warfare-state economic model that runs massive deficits?

Wouldn't a welfare-state economy that runs massive surpluses be more conducive to any private profit motive by the private sector?

Because the candidate who can run this country in better way must have at least some of common sense, a feeling of honor, respect of law and the Constitution and a little bit of morality. In such condition, he would not waste money and lives for an unnecessary war. Let alone to start false flag attack to rip the civil rights from people. (Patriot Act)

That's why they put an incompetent puppet on the seat. Bush willingly sold his soul to that group. He did everything other people dare not do to favour that Group. He made a mess on US economy and politics.

The foundation for Bush's rule is "war" and "terror attack". We saw how Bush got his power by activating 911 attack, (justify the war in Mid-east) anthrax attack (push the pass through of Patriot Act) DC sniper shooting spree (push the pass through of Iraq war authorization). To maintain his rule, he intimidate people with continue Terror threat. (by its tool - Al Qaida)

Remember, the cost of all these were paid by American people with their tax money and their lives. The benefiter is a little interest group. Israel got its state security; Pentagon (DOD) got fat budget; Feds (DOJ) had expanded police power; oil group and military industry got big business.

Sorry, I try to explain all these with simple words without your ""socialized" warfare-state economic" or "socioeconomic solutions".

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If Feds call you and defame my message, it is a tactic of intimidation. They don't want people know the fact.
It also proves what I wrote are truth. They are afraid of it.

Yes! I love this time of the week

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

You and me both pardner!

I can't bring myself to contribute something to this discussion , but just reading it is immensely amusing.

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Congratulations President-Elect Obama

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I can't believe I read the whoooooole thing.

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I am an American. That's the way most of us put it, just matter of factly. They are plain words, those four: you could write them on your thumbnail, or sweep them clear across this bright autumn sky. But remember too, that they are more than just words. They are a way of life. So whenever you speak them; speak them firmly, speak them proudly, speak them gratefully. I am an American. ...a tradition

Well if this isnt the explaination then my conclusion is that the general public is either brainwashed or stupid.

I suppose, if I were to use, simpler words; I would say that our politicians rely on mediocre public policy because it is easier to use simple words and concepts, even if they are based on fallacies; than to actually try to implement better economic policies through more thorough reasoning.

Why would the Peoples Committee of the Inside Group, want to use our exorbitantly expensive super power, in such a mediocre fashion? Wouldn't it have been much cheaper to simply buy oil from Iraq at much cheaper prices than they are now?

Are you implying that the members of the People's Committee of the Inside Group (PCIG) are merely in it for their own private profit motive, regardless of the cost of our "socialized" wars on US taxpayers? I can agree with you, only to the extent that the members of PCIG are able to write books bragging about how they were able to be successful, with Uncle Sam's money, if not their daddy's money.

1. It's never an expensive business for the Inside Group. Who paid it? American people. Who gain profit from it? The inside group. The war and terror attack is profitable business for them.

2. The main goal can't be got just by "simply buy oil from Iraq."
Can you get Patriot Act by "simply buy oil from Iraq"? You must intimidate people by "terror attack". Can you get Israel security simply by "buy oil from Iraq"? You get it by war and occupation.

3. Please stop show off with your "exorbitantly expensive super power"; "Peoples Committee of inside group"; "mediocre fashion".... It doesn't mean you are academical. It only reveals you are harassing and try to mislead.

More for 2. How to make it safe for Israel? Let Sunnis kill Shiite, and shiite kill Sunnis.

The Sunni Muslim in Iraq is anti-Israel. Saddam had used his Scuds missle to attack Israel in the First Gulf war.

The Shiite Muslim in Iraq is anti-Israel. It's religion ally - Iran - hates Israel too.

Either one takes dominent in Iraq will be an Islamic government which will be hostile to Israel. If they are in civil war, then they have no time and ability to take care of the business of Israel. Who is benefit from Iraq civil war?

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If Feds call you and defame my message, it is a tactic of intimidation. They don't want people know the fact.
It also proves what I wrote are truth. They are afraid of it.

What makes you think I am trying to show off when I use words that have more than one syllable?

You may have missed my sarcasm about Republican fondness for using socialism for fun and private profit.

What real benefit is there for the US, by engaging sovereign states in the Middle East? All the examples in history tell us a convincing story, that we would have been better off by simply doing business with them; and let them sort out their own problems. We could even call it exporting democracy, as a form of states' rights.

I am still of the opinion, that the UN is the most appropriate public sector to promote general Welfare, in all red states outside of the US.

I am not sure I can agree with your premise about Israel and the rest of the Middle East. Iraq was a stable dictatorship, with a relatively powerful military in that region. Israel did not seem to have any worse issues with a stable Iraq than it does now, with an unstable Iraq.

What is your opinion of a Middle East Union, that specifically includes Israel as a deliberative participant? I am pretty sure that the rest of the countries in the Middle East would benefit more from decent trade relations, than with their current hostilities toward a potential trading partner.

It's interesting that you abandon with your words "that have more than one syllable".

I won't go the way you try to detour.

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Israel controls US politics. Lieberman is its representative.

Quote, "Lieberman: U.S. Should Weigh Iran Attack

The Associated Press
June 10, 2007

WASHINGTON -- Sen. Joseph Lieberman said Sunday the United States should consider a military strike against Iran because of Tehran's involvement in Iraq.

"I think we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians to stop them from killing Americans in Iraq," Lieberman said. "And to me, that would include a strike over the border into Iran, where we have good evidence that they have a base at which they are training these people coming back into Iraq to kill our soldiers."
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To me Lieberman wants more American soldiers to fight and die for the security of Israel. That's why he could be selected to be senator even his Demo constituents abandoned him.

Israel controls US intelligence through DOJ. They select politicians by rigged election. Thus hijacked the US.

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News:

(WTNH) _ The Connecticut for Lieberman Party is calling on Senator Joseph Lieberman to resign from the U.S. Senate following his remarks made Sunday on CBS' Face the Nation regarding military action against Iran.

Lieberman said on the national television program that, "we've got to be prepared to take aggressive military action against the Iranians."

The Connecticut for Lieberman Chair, Dr. John Orman, called for Lieberman's resignation saying that he "crossed the line" and "no longer represents the views of the citizens of Connecticut."

Wtnh.com, Connecticut News and Weather - Lieberman asked to resign from his own party

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If Feds call you and defame my message, it is a tactic of intimidation. They don't want people know the fact.
It also proves what I wrote are truth. They are afraid of it.