Depends on whether you mean implicate of explicate control.

I don't buy the conspiracy theories. But the influence peddling is so overwhelming that the multi-Nationals do shape the policies of both parties.

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"Let me give you a tip on a clue to men's characters: the man who damns money has obtained it dishonorably; the man who respects it has earned it.
"Run for your life from any man who tells you that money is evil. That sentence is the leper's bell of an approaching looter. So long as men live together on earth and need means to deal with one another--their only substitute, if they abandon money, is the muzzle of a gun.

-- Ayn Rand

It isn't a conspiracy, I am not into such things. I am surprised you agree with me on this however.

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Déjeme decirle, a riesgo de parecer ridículo, que el revolucionario verdadero está guiado por grandes sentimientos de amor. Es imposible pensar en un revolucionario auténtico sin esta cualidad.

-- Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna

so am i
to se a capitalist agree that the corporet world hase taken away your democrasy is a rare thing indeed

edit: uuugh it should be iligal to spell a bad as i do

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About Liberman

Liberman is another choice of inside group. That's obvious when they made Al Gore pull out of the election of 2004. If you know from the beginning that US politics is played by a shadow group of insiders. The debate of 9 candidates is only a drama for the public and give some material for those experts to discuss.

The road map of Mid-east is not finished yet. Bush, though is awarded a high approve rate by media, is actually disliked by most Americans. With Liberman as Demo's candidate, either elected can assure insider group that their interest will persist.

Liberman, who actively pushed the "patriot Act" passing through, and stand firmly by the side of Bush when he need Iraq war power, is actually a Republican inside Democratic party. He was arranged to be vice President in 2000 election if Bush failed, and in 2002, they paved way for him to be the President's candidate of Democrats by forcing Al Gore's pulling out.

to se a capitalist agree that the corporet world hase taken away your democrasy is a rare thing indeed

Politicians are still elected by votes, and corporations are heavily taxed and regulated.

What more do you want, blood?

how about a democratic election not dependent of sponsorship?

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No campaign is sponsored by one source. They are all sponsored by hundreds and thousands of supporters. That's democracy in action. Just because you don't like some of the supporters doesn't make it any less democratic.

I think if you have a look at the lastest version of MAI, which didn't pass couple years ago if I remember correctly but almost did like the NAFTA and GATT. There's a clause in there that says investors can basically overwrite any laws established by the Congress, and reject any Supreme Court rulings when it comes to investor rights. That's about the most blatant declaration to the world- that capitalists, in their name of "free-trade", is above civil law, above elected officials, above democracy, and above everyone.

An actual example I can think of right now, is a case in Canada. Ethyl Corporation, big producer of lead gasoline, filed a lawsuit against the Canadian government, demanding $250 million to cover their loss from "expropriation" and damages to Ethyrl's "good reputation" caused by Canadian legislation to ban MMT- a gasoline additive known to be a dangerous toxin and causes serious health problems- The Canadian government's legislation was in fact, complying with the US Environmental Protection Agency guidlines, who in the US also have banned the use of MMT. This was when MAI was also pending in the Canadian parliament. Sure gave them a clue what things might look like if it ever gets passed.

I've some other examples. That's just one. If voting is not the only thing that's important for your "democracy", then ask yourself why didn't you ever hear so much about MAI - if you ever heard of it.

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Déjeme decirle, a riesgo de parecer ridículo, que el revolucionario verdadero está guiado por grandes sentimientos de amor. Es imposible pensar en un revolucionario auténtico sin esta cualidad.

-- Ernesto Rafael Guevara de la Serna

Dean was poisoned

In DC sniper shooting case. When Lee Boyd Malvo was arrested, he kept his mouth shut up. But in an interrogation a week later, "Malvo was talkative, smiling, even bragging in response to indirect questions from investigators, sources said."(S.J.M.N.) The police interrogating him thought Malvo's testimony didn't make sense and was exaggerating. It was a typical phenomenen that Malvo was medicined (or in another word, poisoned) by something to talk. Under the influence he was forced to talk as much as he could, even exaggerating. It was possible an excitant or something unknown for outsiders which force the victim losing control of mind, behaved unusual and doing something exaggerating. It's a tactic intelligence used to do to squeeze information from target.

Howard Dean is a target of insider group because he is the one who fiercely anti-war. Dean lost Iowa primary. His rate from the leading one dropped to the third place, (16% vs Kerry's 38%) It was unusual, consider 75% Iowa voters are against war. It can be viewed as poll result was manipulated by intelligence.

And to suppress Dean more, they seemed using same tactic to vilify Dean. Dean likely was poisoned by some excitant or something influencial on his sentiment in the meeting before Iowa Primary. Media (which are under stronghold of inside group) took the chance to propaganda Dean was "lunatic", "crazy"....

Intelligence covert work was largely used in campagin if you still remember Water Gate scandal. Especially by inside group who controls Feds. Here is another recent report:

Republican caught spying on Demo
Thursday 22 January 2004
Senate Panel's GOP Staff Pried on Democrats

WASHINGTON -- Republican staff members of the US Senate Judiciary Commitee infiltrated opposition computer files for a year, monitoring secret strategy memos and periodically passing on copies to the media, Senate officials told The Globe.

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/012304A.shtml

If this was the case I don't think we would see the corporate funding ratios running at an average of 4 to 1 margin for Bush. It really helps when you invite the lobbiests into the bill writing sessions. The corporations are just one more interest asking for attention at the political trough. They do have the money, but as long as people retain the ability to vote we still can out trump them.

Also regarding party facade, if you look into our history our political partys have made some dramatic decisions. (IE civil rights) One could say that our government might morph into something similar to what you are talking about, or even that it is in the process right now. In any case that is just one more reason to get involved.

see below...

1 Get a five foot sheet of aluminum foil (standard one foot wide Reynolds Wrap brand will do nicely.)

2 Fold the sheet four times into five equal segments so that you end up with a 1x1 foot square, making sure that you fold over the dull side of the foil leaving the square shiny on both sides.

3 Use scissors to cut from one corner of the square to the center, making a straight line.

4 Bend the foil from one side of the cut under the other, making a slight cone. Again, make sure that the outside of the cone has a shiny side of the foil; this is VERY important.

5 Place the cone on your head and squash the top and sides to make it fit snugly.

6 Apply Scotch tape liberally making sure to secure the cut in the foil and any form-fitting creases made in step 5.

7 Use more tape to secure AFDB to your cranium.

A Note About The Shiny Side:

It can't be stressed enough how important it is to have the shiny side pointing out. This is needed because the shiny side is most reflective to psychotronic radiation, while the dull side can actually, in certain environmental conditions, absorb it. However, as is illustrated in the instructions above, it is also wise to complement this with a layer of foil pointing shiny side in. This will keep your brain waves, which are also reflected by the shiny side, from being picked up by mind-reading equipment. There is a small number of aluminum foil researchers who believe that this may cause an alpha-wave harmonic to build up in the skull resulting in memory loss or pseudo-religious visions, but their findings have never been replicated by the aluminum foil research community at large. Even if their findings are validated, the risk involved is small compared to the potential of mind-intrusion.

Foil Thickness:

How thick is your aluminum foil? Find out using Zapato Productions Intradimensional's Aluminum Foil Thickness Calculator (pops up into separate window, requires Javascript). If you do not have Javascript, use this formula (with grams and centimeters):
((mass / 2.702) / (width * length)) * 10000 = thickness in microns

If your foil is less than 16 microns, increase the number of layers used in construction.

Optional:

You may augment your AFDB with random bits of foil, wire, small electronic parts, etc..

Canadian coins should also be considered as they are high in nickel content. Nickel, while not having the psychotronic deflecting properties of aluminum (or even tin), can act to refract psychotronic beams, thereby helping to scrambling the mind control signals as they are deflected off of the underlying aluminum surface of the AFDB. This will result in a lowered chance of retransmission of the signal.

However, you should avoid American and European coins at all costs as they contain aluminum based mind control circuitry. Canadian coins are free of this threat mainly due to the Canadian government's choice of neglecting psychotronic research in favor of research into giant robotics.

Tips:

* Tinsel is made of plastic and has no anti-psychotronic attributes.
* Painting your AFDB won't degrade its abilities, so you can be mentally safe AND color-coordinated too! (However, see Corrosion below for important note about latex paint.)
* "Beer can hats", though made out of aluminum cans, are not as effective as an AFDB since they have gaps inbetween the cans. You may, however, line a beer can hat with an AFDB or even glue the cans directly on an AFDB.

Enjoy !!!!

Gang of four

Whatever they talked about economy, immigrant, medicine..... The main point of choosing candidates is. Pro or anti war.

Because inside group needs more war in Mid-east, they make the candidates mostly pro-war one.

Bush is a war president. There is no doubt. He is designated for a second term.

The leading four candidates of Democratic are all pro-war (or at least, obedient to the will of inside group). Kerry, Lieberman, Edwards, Gephardt. They all voted for authorizing Iraq war power to President Bush. Gephardt is the one who introduced the War Authorization Bill. Lieberman, Edwards were the hardest supporters of that bill. The three were hard supporters of Iraq war and honest followers of inside group. Even though they knew most of their constituents are against Iraq war. Now to try to win the chair of Demo President candidate, they changed their face that they are against Bush's Iraq war policy. That's very hypocrite and is almost an open lie.

Most people realize this and go for Howard Dean. To block Dean, inside group threw out Wesley Clark because he has no vote record. You can see the gang of four gathered up fire on Dean but avoid to touch Clark. This is the tactic how inside group to choose their favorite candidate. Follow this line, you can see the reality through the cover up smoke. Whatever they show you of scandal, poll rate..... And surely there will be more to come.

As for Clark who tries to defeat Dean by stealing his anti-war idea, I think he is an insider working for intelligence for a long time. Under his commander he had helped FBI fulfilled two big events. In Waco slaughter and bombing Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia.

See story in: "193. Bombing Chinese Embassy in Yugoslavia" and "194. D.o.D. worked for D.o.J. (1/6)" at:

http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/m...e/profile.html

If there is harassment (blank page, slow entering, server busy....) try

http://forums.delphiforums.com/polic...ages/?msg=25.1

This theory might fare a bit better in your country than ours. At least for a few more years, the US media is still independant enough that they would ferret out a conspiracy the size of what you are suggesting.

I always keep an open mind, but the idea that the "inside" group" are pro war and that is why they voted for Iraq, misses the mark. The "inside group" voted for the war resolution as they had no real idea of public opinion. Post 9/11 was a wierd time in the US. Some would also argue that the resolution was needed for the president to push/cajole the UN to take action. In other word the president needed a sharp stick to go along with his speaking stupidly. (oh I mean softly)

Also regarding Bush, his beady little eyes look scared to me. I assume Rove and others in the Administration have recently told Bush he has to get out their and work, if he wants to be reelected. That does not seem predetermined to me.

First of all, those politicians are not "inside group". They are followers of "inside group". The domesticated horse of the master. If you have read the first message.

Second, these politicians knew the will of their constituents. Only they are more royal to their master. They voted against their voter's will.
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Three musketeers

There were two big events in House in Bush presidency. One was passing through of the Bill of Patriot Act and other one is the Bill of Authorizing the use of armed force against Iraq. These two bills seriously eroding the civil rights of US citizens and their interest but largely benefit the inside group. They even activated anthrax attack(for Patriot Act) and DC sniper shooting (for the bill to authorize Iraq war power) to push through the two bills. After the bills passed successfully, the media published pictures to show that it was supported by two parties. The picture showed Bush was in the center, with Lieberman, Edwards, Gephardt came beside him. Like three musketeers stood with the king. Kerry, though being gang of four, even not qualified to be in the picture. They are the hard core of inside group followers.

Edwards has another character. He works covertly like Wesley Clark and Arnold Schwarzinneger. When Clark suddenly joined campaign, he has a clean vote history because he has never been a politician. Arnold at first denied he would be candidate in California recall, only at last minute announced involvement. Same tactic like Clark. Arnold also ducked all candidates debate. Edwards worked in same way. Try not to be in focus, avoid conflict. At this point, he and Clark and Arnold could be viewed as three musketeers from Feds.

Howard Dean was the target of insider group because his anti-war stand. They manipulated election, media and poll to pull Dean down. The resiganation of Dean's campaign manager gave him a last hit. When they created a situation that Dean was hopeless, why they are so eager want Dean announceing his out? It is paving way for Edwards' victory.

As a block to Dean, Kerry's mission is done. With great possibility, there will be a bigger surprise than Iowa one. Don't be astonished if you hear Edwards win super March 2 primary. Most election are rigged one.

It's better to have a tin foil hat than to have one's head buried in the sand.