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Re: See US politics From another angle .

The wink.

Did you see the wink?
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Seriously.

Why does the forum allow this one-way blog? There's no interaction here.
I have my own thread in which no-one replies to, too.

While i do contribute in other threads and discussions i'm sure folks think my thread about Keegan is equally nonsensical.

Sometimes just having somewhere to say it all helps. (With me, i know no-one else cares but maybe years down the line it'll give me something to read back to if i keep a record of it).
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The wink.

Did you see the wink?
I don't see a wink, i think the feds got rid of it! But like you said, you know its out there somewhere...
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I don't see a wink, i think the feds got rid of it! But like you said, you know its out there somewhere...
Well played, sir!

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Old 08-25-2008
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

7. The big events relate to the Iran oil Bourse (8/22/08)

(1) Undersea cable cuts.

Iran's oil Bourse was planed to open during the anniversary of the Islamic Revolution (February 1-11) at the latest. It finally inaugurated on Feb. 17. What caused the delay? The communication problem - in a week or so, there were five under sea cable cuts.

2/3/08. Quote, "US Crashes Internet In Middle East After Saudi Threat, Russia Responds With Air Forces
By: Sorcha Faal, and as reported to her Western Subscribers
February 3, 2008
Reports circulating in the Kremlin today are painting a grim picture of just how desperate US War Leaders have become as their economy continues its freefall towards total bankruptcy by their crashing of Global Internet access for the Middle East’s banking centers in Egypt, Saudi Arabia, Abu Dhabi, Iran, UAR, Turkey and Kuwait.

The significance to the severing of these cables is the Middle East Banking Centers being denied access to the Society for Worldwide Interbank Financial Telecommunication (SWIFT), based in Brussels and which carries up to 12.7 million messages a day containing instructions on many of the International transfers of money between banks, lies in Saudi Arabia, or any other Middle East Nation, being unable to change their previously, before loss of communication, encoded currency instructions from being changed.

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2/4/08. Conspiracy Theories and Cut InterTube Cables”

“February 4, 2008 - Fourth Undersea Fiber Optic Cable Cut. Cable linking Qatar to the United Arab Emirates was damaged on Sunday, February 3, causing more telecommunication disruptions.
This month, Iran was supposed to open its own bourse, trading oil and oil futures in Euros and other currencies, but not the dollar. Delinking oil from the dollar would protect Iran from Bush's spendthrift invasion and occupation of Iraq, and the resulting collapse of the US dollar.

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2/6/08. Submarine Cables, Subsidiares and Subversion

The Iranian oil bourse was going to be a stock market for petroluem, petrochemicals and gas. What’s the big catch here? The exchange planned on being ran with currencies excluding the U.S. dollar. ...... So, obviously, the U.S. is not going to be happy about this. The biggest piece of information linking this to the recent damages is the proposed location of the bourse: the island of Kish. This is the island that is RIGHT NEXT TO at least two of the cuts that have recently occurred:

Some of you may suddenly be thinking to yourselves that this sounds familiar. That’s because the last person who decided to stop using the U.S. dollar for trading oil was a man by the name of Saddam Hussein in the fall of 2000.

[UPDATE: To further add to this argument, this would not be the first time the U.S. would have disrupted submarine cables to further themselves in times of war or conflict. (Operation Ivy Bells <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Ivy_Bells>) (Previous NSA Submarine Wiretaps <http://news.zdnet.com/2100-9595_22-529826.html?legacy=zdnn>)]
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2/9/08. 5th cable cut fuels allegations of isolating Iran

Leslie D`Monte & Rajesh S Kurup / Mumbai February 9, 2008
Conspiracy theories of deliberately cutting communication lines to West Asia, primarily Iran, gained ground in the media and blogs as reports of another undersea cable cut - the fifth successive one in just a week's time - started emerging in cyberspace. While the extent of Iran's isolation was unclear, many blogs alleged that the cable cuts and outages in West Asia were a ploy by an intelligence agency to disrupt Iranian commerce, targeting an emerging petroleum exchange that the country was shortly hoping to roll out.

5th cable cut fuels allegations of isolating Iran

If a store refuses to accept someone's cheque due to his bad credit record, can that man intrude into the store and kill the manager and occupy that store? That's what US did to Iraq.

If another store refuses to accept someone's cheque due to his bad credit record, can that man cut the telephone line of that store as revenge? That's what US did to Iran. Now it sends a naval armada to the Persian Gulf.

If someone cuts the undersea cable in Hawaii and NewYork, what will US do? A war, I suppose. Now you can see who is the threat of the world.
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Seriously.

Why does the forum allow this one-way blog? There's no interaction here.
The reading is quite entertaining...I wouldn't want to see Kat banned!!!
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8. The big events relate to the Iran oil Bourse (9/1/08)

(2) Beside the undersea cable cuts in February, Bush regime decided to war on Iran in August. For this plan Pentagon cleaned high range military officials whom opposing the Iran war, either by firing them or eliminating by "natural disease".

Quote, " Fallon 'may lose job over Iran war'

Fri, 07 Mar 2008
Admiral William Fallon, the head of the US Central Command, may lose his job for opposing President Bush's plans to wage war against Iran.

The Navy admiral has vowed that an attack on Iran would 'not happen on his watch', calling the White House warmongering echelons 'not helpful'.

Press TV - Fallon 'may lose job over Iran war'

Fallon finally had to resign from his job in March.

Quote, " Iran invasion critic Gen. Odom dies of 'apparent heart attack'
01 Jun 2008- William E. Odom, a retired Army lieutenant general who was a senior military and intelligence official in the Carter and Reagan administrations and who, in recent years, became a forceful critic of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, died May 30 at his vacation home in Lincoln, Vt. An autopsy will be performed, but his wife said he had an apparent heart attack. Gen. Odom became a fixture on news programs and never altered his critical stance toward the Bush regime's policies in Iraq and Iran.

William E. Odom, 75; Military Adviser to 2 Administrations - washingtonpost.com

Quote, "Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'

By Muhammad Cohen
May 28,08

NEW YORK - The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs
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The reading is quite entertaining...I wouldn't want to see Kat banned!!!
I wonder if they will let Samantha back on the forum? She had a way with words that I sometimes found interesting.
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Old 09-05-2008
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8. The big events relate to the Iran oil Bourse (9/1/08)

(2) Beside the undersea cable cuts in February, Bush regime decided to war on Iran in August. For this plan Pentagon cleaned high range military officials whom opposing the Iran war, either by firing them or eliminating by "natural disease".

Quote, " Fallon 'may lose job over Iran war'

Fri, 07 Mar 2008
Admiral William Fallon, the head of the US Central Command, may lose his job for opposing President Bush's plans to wage war against Iran.

The Navy admiral has vowed that an attack on Iran would 'not happen on his watch', calling the White House warmongering echelons 'not helpful'.

Press TV - Fallon 'may lose job over Iran war'

Fallon finally had to resign from his job in March.

Quote, " Iran invasion critic Gen. Odom dies of 'apparent heart attack'
01 Jun 2008- William E. Odom, a retired Army lieutenant general who was a senior military and intelligence official in the Carter and Reagan administrations and who, in recent years, became a forceful critic of the U.S.-led invasion of Iraq, died May 30 at his vacation home in Lincoln, Vt. An autopsy will be performed, but his wife said he had an apparent heart attack. Gen. Odom became a fixture on news programs and never altered his critical stance toward the Bush regime's policies in Iraq and Iran.

William E. Odom, 75; Military Adviser to 2 Administrations - washingtonpost.com

Quote, "Bush 'plans Iran air strike by August'

By Muhammad Cohen
May 28,08

NEW YORK - The George W Bush administration plans to launch an air strike against Iran within the next two months, an informed source tells Asia Times Online, echoing other reports that have surfaced in the media in the United States recently.

Asia Times Online :: Middle East News, Iraq, Iran current affairs
How did James McDougal and Kenneth Lay die again?

Oh yeah, both died of heart attacks in prison.

HOW FLIPPING CONVENIENT.
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I wonder if they will let Samantha back on the forum? She had a way with words that I sometimes found interesting.
It didn't work out when they did let her back in but she would have a long way to go to reach the status of Kathak! Its a shame about her though, it was the best for 4 or 5 days of the forum this year when she was around.
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How did James McDougal and Kenneth Lay die again?

Oh yeah, both died of heart attacks in prison.

HOW FLIPPING CONVENIENT.
Uh, no.

Enron’s Ken Lay dies of heart disease - The Enron Trial - MSNBC.com

Lay died on vacation in Aspen.

Poor people go straight to prison. The rich get vacation.
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Old 09-15-2008
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9. The big events relate to high oil price (9/12/08)

When Iraq's Bourse inaugulated, the inside group decided to push up the oil price as high as they could. Then to start war on Iran to justify the price coming down. High oil price would hurt economy badly. To soften the intension, they played a "tax refund" game. All these happened in February.

567. Oil price, tax refund and Iran war (8/29/08)

Now it becomes clear the original Iran war plot was planed to start around August 8, when the openning ceremony of Olympic Games was performed in China; the war broke out between Georgia and Russia; and a joint naval armada consisted of US, UK and France headed for Iran. The plot should have been designed in February, when Iran inaugurated its oil Bourse. To save the dollar, US pushed up the oil price. That price, I think, had been projected to maintain in high level until Iran was attacked and going out of oil trading business. In another word, the oil price will go normal after Iran going back to petro-dollar in oil trading. The price manipulation will justify the Iran war: See, It was Iran caused high oil price, we had a war on Iran and defeated it. Now price come down. The opinion certainly will be approved by a lot of people.

But the oil price went down after July 4th, a month earlier than the planed war date. Why?

1. I posted "556. Petro-dollar, the cause of Iran war (7/4/08)" on 7/4. Pointed out US manipulated oil price to save the dollar. And Iran war is inevitable. On same day, obviously felt the approaching war threat, Iran had a positive response to the nuclear package. I at first thought Iran's response may postpone the US war plan. In #557, written on 7/9, I wrote, "Iran's constructive preliminary response is positive. But it's a dismay to warmonger. They lose an important excuse to start a war. It disturbs their war schedule. So US media treat the news with a low key and drop the news in the corner. However, the market reaction is inspiring. From 7/5 to 7/8, the oil price dropped for four days from $145 to $136 a barrel."

2. But the later development changed my view. US still send a massive naval armada to Persian Gulf. It means US doesn't care Iran's active response.

Before Iraq war, Saddam Hussain let weapon inspection team of U.N. inspect and search the WMD in Iraq. He even let them search his palace. The U.N. weapon inspection team found no evidence of WMD. Still, US invaded Iraq. Because WMD is only an excuse. So what for Iran's positive response. When a wolf wants to eat a lamb, it will do even there is no excuse.

3. Now I think the oil price start to drop is the result of my analysis posted on 7/4. Feds used to have swift response to my revelation.(see #47, 96, 113,168,337, 531.) Oil price is very sensitive to ordinary people. It affects their daily life. If people knew that the high price is caused by the manipulation of the government insiders, the response will be disastrous. So they quickly drive down the price.

4. One thing leads me to conclude that the government insiders had planed the August Iran war in February was their decision of tax refund in that month. When Iran inaugurated its oil Bourse on 2/17, the inside group chose to push up the oil price to save the dollar. At the purpose that people will become angry at the high price. The inside group will take the chance to activate a war. When Iran has been forced to return to the petro dollar in oil trading, the oil price will drop. No one will blame this war then. The higher the oil price goes, the better the Iran war will be justified. So the group blows the trumpet:

Quote, "Goldman Sachs: $5.75 Per Gallon Gas Soon
Monday, June 30, 2008 12:00 PM

Look for the price of crude oil to continue to climb - reaching upwards of $200 per barrel - and for prices at the pump to reach $5.75 per gallon in the next two years, warns Goldman Sachs’ gas guru Arjun Murti .

MoneyNews - Goldman Sachs: $5.75 Per Gallon Gas Soon

Four days later, the bubble broke off at $147/barrel. Due to, I think, my revelation. Otherwise, the oil price would have been possible at $170/barrel in early August - the planed war time.

Someone said the government is incompetent. I don't think so. Did you see how they could start an unjust war in the name of something not existed? And how they had that notorious President to stay on the seat once again in 2004? This tax refund case, from the plan date in February to June when most people received their cheques, took only four months. It was very efficient. Why? Because the planed high oil price will hurt consumers confidence and hit the economy badly. So they gave each family $300 - $600 dollars to compensate the pain of the temporary high gas price. For June, July and August when the planed war would break out.

The oil price dropped to $110, then fluctuate between $110 and $120. It seems to be the equilibrium boundary for the dollar. Why they pushed it to $147 and intended more? Because the higher the oil price goes, the higher profit the speculator makes, and the better the war justified.

5. $110/barrel oil price is still too high, but a necessary to support the dollar. To pull it down, Iran war is inevitable.

Everything is prepared: false flag attack; secret deal with Russia and China; cooperation of allies; massive naval armada.... why they delayed again? Remember what I have said, the first priority for the Feds is to eliminate a witness of their crime who have revealed their plot so many times. So be watchful these days on hurricane, "natural disaster" and "terror attacks".
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Old 10-16-2008
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10. The real hand behind oil price manipulation (10/14/08)

An article on September 11 revealed the hand behind oil price manipulation.

Quote, "Speculators blamed for wild swings in oil"

By H. Josef Hebert
Associated Press
Washington - Speculation by large investors - and not supply and demand for - were a primary reason for the surge in oil prices during the first half of the year and the more recent price declines, an independent study concluded Wednesday.

The report by Masters Capital Management said investors poured $60 billion into oil futures markets during the first five months of the year as oil prices soared from $95 a barrel in January to $145 a barrel by July.

Since then, these investors have withdrawn $39 billion from those markets as prices have retreated dramatically, the report said. Oil traded at about $102 a barrel Wednesday on the New York Mercantile Exchange.

"We have clear evidence the fund flow pushed prices up and the fund flow pushed prices down,"said Michael Masters of Masters Capital Management, calling the amount of money moving into oil futures markets by large institutional investors in the early part of the year "way off the scale."

Masters said its analysis shows investors "began a massive stampede for the exits" on July 15 and that this caused the price decline. "

(San Jose Mercury, 9/11/2008)

Since the future market needs only 7% down on the future contract, the leverage is 1:14. That means 60 billion fund operated the contract worth of 840 billion. It's more than the 700 billion rescue fund government asked to save the current financial market tsunami.

The conclusion is not a new discovery. Two years ago (in June 2006) when the oil price inflated from $25 per barrel to the then prevailing price of $60 per barrel, the Senate Committee had found this already : "The report points out that large purchase of crude oil futures contracts by speculators has, in effect, created additional demand for oil and in the process driven up the future prices of oil......." (see Oil price #3)

Then why our law makers left this important issue alone and let the oil price to go up like a rocket?
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11. How can US dollar stands strong when oil price going down? (12/3/08)

The oil price now drops below $50/barrel. To my theory, the dollar should drop too. Because the buyers now have excessive petro-dollars. But dollar stands strong. What happens?

1. The speculators - which I think are controlled by intelligence, so they could influence central banks of western nations - are manipulating the exchange rate of Euro. When the oil price was at $145/barrel, the exchange rate of Euro/dollar was 1.6:1. When the oil price went to $110, the Euro rate became 1.36:1. When the oil price went to $90, it became 1.26:1. Euro devalued 20% against dollar followed the oil price dropping. It's abnormal. Because US suffers a sub-prime crisis. The downward oil price would release excess petro-dollar.Capital should escape from US. Dollar should be dumped and de-valued. But the unusual weak Euro prevented the capital escaping from dollar country. Dollar stands firm.

2. Driving the capital back into USA. Here is a typical report: "Speeding out, foreign capital net remittence output. From 9/1 to 9/5, the net remittence output of foreign capital reached 2.77 billion US dollars, compare with the net remittence output of 5 billion in whole month of August, the foreign investors having a tendency of accelerated leaving after they pour out the stock investment in Taiwan.market. "World Journal, 9/13/08)

Be noticed that the money back tendency started from August, the time when 8/8/08 planned Iran war went soured. The phenomenon was world wide. The stock market collapsed everywhere in Europe, South America and Asia. Singapore, Hongkong, South Korea, Japan.... they used to have a big foreign currency reserve, mainly dollar. The reserve unusual reduced these months. The money, goes back to the investor - the US.

Though the oil price drops 70%, US dollar seems not been affected. It stands strong. Because an unusual weak Euro, and a big retreat of US foreign investment that drove the dollar back into US. But the price is high - US suffers a financial tsunami. You may have noticed, the tsunami started in August too - the time when the planed Iran war went soured.
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Old 12-18-2008
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12. Financial tsunami created to stabilize the dollar (12/16/08)

On 7/4, I wrote "556. Petro-dollar, the cause of Iran war (7/4/08)". I think it touches the core. From 7/5 to 7/8, the oil price dropped for four days from $145 to $136 a barrel. It goes downwards since. It's a cover up reaction to my revelation. The inside group doesn't want people to know its Achilles' heel - the Petro Dollar. It doesn't want people to connect the Iraq war to Petro dollar.

At the same time, a financial plan created to keep dollar from collapse - develop a financial tsunami to lock the dollar in US bond. It starts from the plunge of mortgage giant - Funnie Mae and Freddie Mac.

I keep the financial news from paper. I review it recently and found the symptom to sink Funnie and Freddie first emerged on 7/11. One week after my 7/4 article.

In my record, the last news about Funnie Mae before 7/4 was on 5/17. It said that the biggest real estate financier Funnie Mae declared that on 6/1, it would have a new rule to drop the mortgage down payment to 5%, in some area even to 3%. It means Funnie Mae was still full of confidence. One year after sub-prime crisis, to low the standard of the loan meant she had financial foundation.

It was a blank for June. Then came the July. A series of negative news of Funnie and Freddie were out after 7/11. The article of 7/11 was: "Fannie, Freddie shares plunge on speculation", "Federal officials consider a bailout" (by David S. Hilzenrath and Jeffrey H. Birnbaum, Washington Post) What a sudden turn around. Just two months ago Fannie was so confident to save the real estate industry, now it suddenly would go bankruptcy. It was a pre-psychological propaganda preparation.

The August Iran war plot went soured. The financial tsunami plot had to be carried out. But August remained comparatively quiet. No negative news about Funnie and Freddie at that time. Why? I think the inside group, which is also a big financial group, need time to sell their investment - foreign investment, stock, real estates - when the price was still high, before others joined the escape.

Then the tsunami came. 9/7, government puts Funnie and Freddie into conservatorship. 9/14, Investment bank Leman Brothers declares bankruptcy. Stock market collapsed. Finnecial firm, pension fund suffered a great loss. They also have to sell the investment to collect money to deal with the cash out of panick customers. Now nothing is safe except cash - even big name such like Merril Lynch, AIG, GM are in danger, what property could you believe? People leave stock market, foreign market, real estate market and follow the experts' instruction - Cash is king.

Large amout of treasure were changed into cash and were driven into US treasury bond, locked there. The phenomenon is the interest of short term treasury note is almost zero, the interest rate of 30 years US bond is only 2.9%. So the oil price can drop to under $50/barrel. All speculating money go and hide under the safe heaven - US bond.

Financial crisis stabilizes the dollar (include excessive Petro dollar), drives them into US bond to avoid a tsunami. It becomes a big ballon. Once the ballon breaks off. What will take place? Inflation, soaring oil price, high interest, collapse dollar - that's another armagedon.
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