We owe the UN some cash only. US sovereignty belongs to US citizens only. As a people, we cannot answer to anyone but ourselves and posterity.A contravention is not without the scope of possiblity. However, there isn't anything written that I have seen to indicate what you are proposing. Can you cite sources? Or is this just pure speculation? Since the US was formed, there hasn't been a contravention that I was ever made aware of.Wow. What brought that on? I am unable to answer this.I am not sure what you are stating could be verified. At the same time, judges seem to have almost unlimited power to over turn current law.In the best interest of the population of the US, and the greater good of the nation as a whole, policies by the left must be reviewed to discovered as to what other issues await the right for confrontation.

There has been a bombardment of issues with lines drawn accross the scope of US Politics Online. The issues you raised are valid points and good topics on their own.

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For starters Calley was Lt not a Sgt as claimed and he served just over 3 years for ordering 347 deaths. That is about 3 days for every man woman and child killed.

Do you wonder why US military justice is not trusted in this case?

The three soldiers who were decorated in your quoted piece had 'SAVED' Vietnamese and further verifies that US Military has justice on it's side.

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If memory serves me they saved some villagers by treating their comrades with violence.

The fact remains that 347 innocents died at the hands of US military and the only punishment was just over three years house arrest for ONE junior officer.

If that is justice then the US military can keep it.

By that metric the Iraqi prison abusers will get a minor slap on the wrist.

I was only mentioning this because it was contained in the article you posted. You see, RDK, I read your posts!

"The U.S. army formally released a report on its investigation of the incident in Nov., 1974. In 1998 three U.S. soldiers saved Vietnamese civilians during the massacre were honored with the Soldier's Medal."

We have to assume that these three did not partake but actually helped the Vietnamese as the investigation uncovered.Who is arguing with you? Not I. He should have not been pardoned by Nixon.Murder is one thing and humiliation is another.

Do you oppose the US on each and every issue? Are you here only to bash the US's imperfections and dwell on our weaknesses, RDK? I have yet to witness a positive post only negative and angry words in constant bashing. Have I missed something? Are you anti US? Are you an Islammist?

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Distraction (5/23)

The abusing of prisoners is systematic which can be traced to the end of 2001 when Guantanamo concentration camp was set up. News reported that there were 18 prisoners' death in Afhgan and Iraq, eight are investigated as "homicide" case. Compare to these, the abuse in Abu Ghurayb was mild. Government only show people a little bit of it but cover up the most.

1. US soldiers who was accused in abuse case, confessed at first they were assigned to do so for interrogation. Now media said it was for amusement.

2. Many people request the resignation of Rumsfeld. Then there was an immediate poll throwing out said " Most in US back Rumsfeld. 69% think he should keep job. 20% he should resign" (Washington Post-ABC news poll) Rumsfeld is the main pusher of Iraq war. He should be responsible for the embrassing situation of US in Iraq now despite abusing scandal. When so said poll said nearly half US public don't support Iraq war and Bush's rate is in a record low, how can the war eagle get such a high support rate ? Once again, in emergency, inside group used ther magic weapon - poll, to save their puppet. And how easy was it to lie on a number to wipe out the opposite voice. There was a random poll done by AOL about that time. I took part in and got such a result: Do you believe Rumsfeld approved the use of abuse on prisoners in Iraq?
Yes 57%; No 32%; Not sure 10%; Total Votes: 137,535
I believe this more truely reflects the attitude of American people. The users of AOL should be average.

3. A "beheading" case was thrown out to justify the abusing case. The beheading case was done in hastily so there was a lot of flaw. Which was used to vilify muslim. Play the same role as "Madrid bombing".

4.Nobody took the ball. It ends in the hand of weak people. Low ranking soldiers become scapegoat.

This is what Feds wanted. They need a case big enough to catch up public's attention but hurt least the interest of inside group. That's the tactic of distraction. Create a big event to cover up another which they don't want you to know. One sample was to charge Michale Jackson in a molesting case. Which happened on date Bush met a big protest in his London visit. D.O.J. used Michale Jackson's case to divert the attention on Bush's inglorious visit.

Then what case this time they want to cover up by prisoners' abusing case? That is a frame case applied on me. Which lasted for more then ten years. The case had led to the resignation of both directors of FBI and DEA in June, 2001, and again the resignation of director of DEA in Aug. 2003, I think.

In a similar situation in 2001, Feds had used same tactic to distract. In April that year, Ashcroft announced FBI had found 3000 pages of unreported document in McVeigh's case. So D.O.J. delayed the excution date of McVeigh a month later to June 11. As a matter of fact, the document was only an excuse used to delay the excution date. To let it to match the date they planed in a framed drug case in which many people would be slaughtered. They need a big event such like McVeigh's death to divert public's attention on thier murder case. The frame case was soured for some reason. In same attempt in Dec. 2003 and Apr. 2004, they tried to use terrorist attack by same tactic, I allege. As for why I think the abusing case is a distraction on mine, I've talked about it in latest messages on my home page. It's these experience enabled me to write the articles about US politics in a perspective angle.

See whole story at:

http://hometown.aol.com/kathaksung/m...e/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/sunkat563/my...e/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/m...e/profile.html

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Do you have any evidence to support your claim?What methods should be made available to obtain information about future attacks from terroist prisoners?Can you say conspiracy?Using Michael Jackson for a cover? According to you, the feds have control of undemining protests. Rumor, inuendo and speculation is the extent of your post.What prisoners were being humiliated in June of 2001? The US was not yet attacked by suicide pilots and the 911 anthrax attacks.McVey was put to death as soon as the appeals were finished as he should have been. Now, Nichols has bee found guilty and waits for his sentence for the murder of 161. He should be put to death in the shortest possible time frame. As far as the Iraqi Republican Guard who helped to facilitate the plot, al Hussaini (John Doe Number Two), I am unaware if he has been captured since he went to work at Boston Logan where the Atta and the 911 hijackers originated from. Al Hussaini should be the next prisoner. Has Terry Nichols been abused in prison?! Your microwave theories are not supported by evidence.

I read your links and you appear to be paranoid, out of touch with reality and an anti US activist.

The fact that Saddam is in custody, his terrorists are being captured and destroyed, his Terror for Food / UN scandal that paid out billions to Russians, French and others is done, his support for terrorists is over, and Iraqi is beginning to regain control of their future, should be enough to help ease your paranoia.

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Kenetic, most of your question I've mentioned in my messages posted already. Read it carefully.
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Censorship and Liberal media (6/3)

A news in internet in August 2002:

"The crowd was standing at the barricades and the police had called a state of
emergency. Pepper spray was used on group early on. Batons were used on some
people. Group included babies in strollers and older people, also people in
wheelchairs. Those that could get out of the way were cut off surrounded by police.
There are snipers on the roofs. Police have opened fire on protesters with rubberbullets, pepper spray and gas. The crowds of people are moving around and regrouping. "
http://portland.indymedia.org:8081/f...&group=webcast

It seemed a scene taking place in totalitarian country. But it was in Portland, citizens protested Bush's war policy and were surpressed. If it happened in Moscow, Beijing, you could see big title and pictures as first hand news in media. But this time, there was no report from media. I learned it from internet. There is a strong censorship on anti-war news. Inside group needed war. Media coordinated. They created a feeling that most of people were pro-war.


If Michael Moore is not a famous film director, his "Fahrenheit 9/11" wouldn't be known by public. If his film haven't been awarded the top prize at the Cannes Film Festival, it may still have been blocked from distributing. So far American people still have no chance to watch it. Is Disney a media, or rather a tool of inside group? All this happened in US, famous for its "Bill of Right". The free speech has to struggle for its existence against invisible censorship. What kind of "freedom" Bush can bring to Iraqis? You imagine.

"Patriot Act" seriously erodes civil liberty. More than hundred towns, cities, even states passed resolution condemning it. As "liberal" media, it should be a big issue to be discussed, criticized. Have you often heard of it? Rarely. Abandon the title of "liberal", even if media dare not to comment at this topic, as "media", should they do some very basic thing to report it? Yet, they failed in their professional duty. New York joined the long list of cities to condemn Patriot Act recently. A sponsor said, "The Patriot Act is really unpatriotic, it undermines our civil rights and civil liberties," Because New York was the victim of 9/11 attack, and Patriot Act was a result of that attack, the resolution of New York is significant. Yet, the news is censored by most media. I learned it only from a message from internet.

Quote, "UnderReported.com

.....Queries on news.google.com yield no results for CNN. Two queries for the New York Times yield no relevant results, and I was unable to find an article by searching on the nytimes.com website itself. Did this amazing story really go unreported in the city's own New York Times

Pete_undercover

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Though there are "Demo" paty and "Rep" party, "liberal" media and "conservative" media, It's only a cover up. Once it touches the interest of inside group, there is no Democracy and liberal. All principle and opinion are given up. Media and politicians, are only tools of inside group.

Terror attack and distraction (6/4)

On May 26, A.G. Ashcroft and FBI director Mueller warned public that based on credible source Al Qaida would attack US this summer. FBI also issued 7 pictures of most wanted terrorist suspects.

But in next few days the "credible source" was revealed as high suspect. Some of the "most wanted" were said arrested already.
Re: "Terrorists on Ashcroft's 'Wanted List' Already in Jail
May 27 2004
At least two of the terrorists identified by John Ashcroft as part of an 'Al-Qaeda cell' that is waiting to attack America this summer are already in jail.

http://prisonplanet.tv/articles/may2...wantedlist.htm

Re: "Terror threat source called into question Ashcroft cites al-Qaida plan, but how credible
is the information?

By Lisa Myers
Senior investigative correspondent
NBC News
Updated: 6:57 p.m. ET May 28, 2004

WASHINGTON - Earlier this week Attorney General John Ashcroft warned of an attack planned on America for sometime in the coming months. That may happen, but NBC News has learned one of Ashcroft’s sources is highly suspect.

A senior U.S. intelligence official previously told NBC News that this group has no known operational capability and may be no more than one man with a fax machine.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5087301/

Under the Homeland Security Act of 2002, only the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) can publicly issue such threat warnings. What made D.O.J. neglect DHS? Is FBI really so incompetent to reward suspects whom are in jail already?

The fact that D.O.J. didn't inform Homeland Security Dept. proved that there is no threat from Al Qaida. Feds didn't have any material evidence to send to DHS. They just picked up randomly some information from their old data file to create an "Al Qaida attack".

Then why Ashcroft and Mueller gave such a warning? It's a psychological pre-propaganda for a possible real attack - an attack done by Feds in the name of terrorist in order to distract. Such like McVeigh's excution to divert attention on a framed drug case (soured) in 2001; Michael Jackson's case to divert public's attention on Bush's inglorious London visit; Nick Berg's beheading to divert criticism on abusing prisoners' case.

See the framed case D.O.J. tries to cover up at:

http://hometown.aol.com/kathaksung/m...e/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/sunkat563/my...e/profile.html
http://hometown.aol.com/katsung563/m...e/profile.html

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233. CIA chief resigns (6/9)

CIA chief Tenet resigned abruptly on 6/3. He cited personnal reasons for resignation. That's an excuse.

Media said he resigns because of failure in intelligence assessment on 9/11 attack and WMD of Iraq. That he may have been hastened by a critical report from Senate intelligence committee which will single out the errors of the agency. That is not a true reason either, I think.

Failure to warn 911 attack was a very serious fault. As director of CIA, he should have resigned right away after the WTC collapsed. He hadn't. Because 911 attack was allowed to happen. Inside group needed it to activate war in Mid-East. So nobody took the responsibility. Now it's almost three years passed. Is it a late wake up?

Paul O'neill, Richard A. Clarke, all revealed Bush determined to go to war in Iraq even before 9/11. WMD was only an excuse Bush used to start the war. CIA, was forced to squeeze the information to favour the demand of Bush cabinet. CIA, had sent Joseph Wilson to Niger to investigate if Saddam intended to buy nuclear material there. He found no evidence could prove this allegation. Government knew this. But Bush still used it as evidence in his State of Union. When Wilson revealed that Bush lied, he was punished. His wife's ID as being a CIA covert agent was leaked by White House.
In whole event, Bush is the main suspect and offender. How could Tenet take over the responsibility?

Then why Tenet resigned? View from this angle. On 5/26, Ashcroft and Meuller announced Al Qaida would attack in this summer. Tom Ridge of DHS didn't know this in advance. Tenet of CIA hasn't mention it too. The information was unique from D.O.J.. But is it the main responsibility for CIA to deal with Al Qaida abroad? How could they let something like 911 take place again in US? That's the real reason of Tenet's resignation. He knew there will be a big attack in coming months. He is not able to stop it. Because again it is from "friendly fire". To avoid to take the responsibility of a big failure, or in another word, to avoid a duty. He resigned in advance to avoid humiliation. (Or another possibility is he was saved from humiliation by inside group, they arranged his resignation to protect him?) The seat of CIA director will leave vacant until November election. Because the attack(s) will take place during that period. So nobody will take the blame of failure again in terrorist attack intelligence.

On the other hand, is it absurd to leave such an important position remained in vacancy when the country is in terror emergency?(as D.O.J. says) Can you immagine a captain of a battleship permitted the leave of the sonar operater while there is an alert of submarine attack? It only proves a designated attack will happen. Samething like "Operation Northwoods".

The terror attack is designed to benefit the interest of inside group. Such like Bali bombing to arouse indignation of the people against Islamic extremist to support Iraq war. Or Madrid bombing to help Aznar's election in Spain. Is it a little bit early to carry out the plan at this time for Bush's re-election?

I've said the attack will take place around 6/19. Feds arranged my wife's trip and a party at that time to fix a frame case. Because they are in a hurry. If you have noticed that most financial experts pridicted that on 6/30, Federal reserve will boost the interest rates. A step they should have done earlier but had postponed by Feds (D.O.J.) for nearly a year. Because they hold a large amount of real estates invested in my case. Feds is in a hurry to finish my case to release their estates. From this event, we can see the interest of D.O.J. is more important than Bush's interest. Other department, DHS and CIA, must give way to it.

236. Help puppet Bush (6/24)

There are two events in June which I think were arranged deliberately at this time.
One is the Michael Moore's "9/11 Fahrenheit" will open to public on 6/25. Which will give a negative image for Bush. If there is a big bombing taking place on 6/19 or a little later, then the film will be neglected by public.

Another event was the report issued by 911 investigation commision which said there is no credible evidence that Saddam and Al-Qaida had cooperated to attack US. The panel disputes Bush's reasons to invade Iraq. It was reported by media on 6/17. This, too, could be neglected if there was a big attack taking place on 6/19.

If there was really an attack happened, Inside Group needed not to worry about these negative event. Bush would once again become a "hero in terror war". And other information 911 panel released would help to inflame panic and indignation against Islamic people. When media repeatedly to broadcast the picture of the collapse of WTC and the voice of pilots of hijacked plane. The effect is same like they broadcast the film of beheading case. US government is very active to start a psychological war to its citizens. To prepare for more war in Mid-East.

But the planned attack didn't take place. I think it's because my analysis in message 232, 233 revealed their plot.

When the planned bombing didn't come to offset the negative influence of 911 panel's finding and Michael Moore's film "Fahrenheit 9/11", inside group came to help Bush.

1. Give out a poll to boost Bush. It's the old tactic. Poll is a tool Inside Group used to manipulte the mind of people.

Re: "Outlook on Iraq aiding Bush, Kerry loses lead from last poll
By Ron Hutcheson, Knight Ridder,
6/18/04, S.J.M.N.

Bush went from trailing Democratic Sen. John Kerry to leading slightly, 48 % to 46%.
The results of the latest Pew Research poll of 1,806 adults taken June 3-13. "

2. unusual support from rival on war with Iraq.
"McCain unites with Bush, shows support for Iraq war
By Elisabeth Bumiller, New York Times
6/19/04, S.J.M.N.

President Bush and his old political rival Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz, shared a military stage Friday to present an unusual joint defense of the war in Iraq."

3. Support from Democratic leader

Former President Clinton has revealed that he continues to support President Bush's decision to go to war in Iraq .....

http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/06/19/cli...raq/index.html

4. Justify Bush's Iraq war by Russia leader

Russia Warned U.S. About Iraq, Putin Says

By Walter Pincus
Washington Post Staff Writer
Saturday, June 19, 2004; Page A11

Russian President Vladimir Putin said yesterday that his intelligence service had warned the Bush administration before the U.S. invasion of Iraq that Saddam Hussein's government was planning attacks against U.S. targets both inside and outside the country.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2004Jun18.html

The surface of Clinton proves when it touches the interest of inside group, there is no partism. All politicians serve for their master: inside group. What surprised me is they even push out Putin to protect Bush. How eager they tried to save their puppet when their designated plan failed to carry out.

One thing interesting if you have noticed the date that media reported the defense from these big shots. Which may prove my prediction of 6/19 is correct. When I read these news, I knew the "terror attack on 6/19" was cancelled or postponed or delayed. Otherwise inside group didn't need these defense. In their plan, an "terror attack" would boost Bush's fame, and of course, distract the attention to a framed case.

237. The June plot (6/29)

Though the "6/19 terror attack" failed to be carried out, other events show how Feds prepared to frame a case in June.

On 6/17, S.J.M.N. reported, "Board OKs merging sheriff, coroner offices. In a move aimed at saving money, Santa Clara County leaders on Wednesday approved a controversial plan to allow the sheriff's department to manage the coroner's office. But the merger worries opponents who believe it could create an extra layer of public mistrust toward law enforcement."

In message "170. Suspends Coroner (10/11)" I talked about how Feds plotted to oust the chief medical examiner Schmunk. Finally Feds got coroner's office under their control. It will help them to cover up the murder committed in the coming framed case.

On same day 6/17, local Chinese TV reported a Chinese dissenter, Peng Min, was arrested in Burma and was handed over to Chinese government. Peng Min favours to overturn Chinese government by violence. About a year ago(?), he appeared in a talk show of that TV station. In interview he called for people to join his orgnization. He said that he needed qualified personnel to fill the post of Defense Minister and etc. He offered three to four thousands dollars of monthly salary for these posts. The host of talk show asked him where did he got that much money. Of course, Peng Min would not reveal his financial source. By common sense, it was from intelligence.

Peng Min was arrested a short time before 6/17. He was charged of holding a large amount of forgery Chinese currency by Burmese police. He was delivered to Chinese government quickly. I think he was arranged there by intelligence. Peng Min might have thought he was working to overturn current Chinese government. He could never dream of that he became a chip in a secret deal and was sold by his host. He became a payment to Chinese secret police to exchange for a framed drug case D.O.J. wants.

It was similar to the framed case in April when my wife went to HongKong visiting her dying adopted father. For that case, US had deported one of China most wanted escaped corruptive official to China. FBI director Mueller also announced HongKong would be attacked by Al Qaida terrorists then. Now, Ashcroft and Mueller announced the coming summer attack by Al Qaida. And, too, they gave Chinese government one of their most wanted as interest exchange - a political dissenter.

Because US still holds a title of democracy which Bush used to "liberate" Iraq, Feds couldn't deport a political dissenter to China. So the secret deal was fulfilled by the third country-Burma. (see "222. Perform a secret deal (4/19), 223. FBI director said HongKong will be attacked (4/24)")

Former P.M. of Spain, Aznar was an ally of Bush. I alleged Madrid bombing was done to help his election. So, he should be familiar with these "terror attacks".
Here is an excerpt from an article:

Quote, "During his visit to California, Aznar referred more than once about a terrorist attack taking place in the United States in June, 2004, which would lead to a Federal Emergency Management Agency takeover of the U.S. (International Herald Tribune, May 15, 16, 17, Los Angeles Times, May 15)"

What made Aznar so sure there would be an "terror attack" in June? He might be able to access some inside information. I based on my own experience knew the mastermind is D.O.J. and their purpose is to eliminate a witness of their crime. For them this is a real imminent danger. Of course, to help their puppet Bush in election as well, too.

The above article is an interesting one, worth to read.

Quote, "Rogue Bush Backers prepare Super 9/11 False Flag Terror Attacks

INN Preview Exclusive -June 2

By Webster Griffin Tarpley

Toronto, May 30 - Intelligence patterns monitored over the US Memorial
Day weekend now point conclusively to an imminent new round of ABC
(atomic-bacteriological-chemical) terror attacks in the United States,"

http://inn.globalfreepress.com/modul...hp?storyid=355

240. Cover up (7/14)

In my thread, many times I talked about Feds response swiftly to cover up the flaw I revealed. They did same cover up work after I talked about the June plot.

1. In "237. The June plot (6/29)" I said "Former P.M. of Spain, Aznar was an ally of Bush. I alleged Madrid bombing was done to help his election."

On 7/12, newspaper reported:
"Italy wiretaps paint portrait of man alleged to be bombing mastermind.
By Elaine Sciolino and Jason Horowitz
New York Times
7/12, S.J.M.N.

Madrid, Spain - Terrorists are not usually talkers. But the man who calls himself the mastermind of the March 11 train bombings in Madrid is an exception." The man's name is Ahmed. His Italian cell-phone number was found in the address book of one man suspected of involvement in the plot. So Italian police tapped his phone. In the taped conversations, Ahmed calls himself "the thread behind the Madrid plot". .... It's this and other conversations led to his arrest. "

After Madrid bombing, Spanish police arrested 11 suspects. On 4/4, news reported "Train bomb suspects died in suicide blast.", "The core members of the group have been detained or died in collective suicide" include ringleader Fakhet. The case should be finished. How could be there another mastermind coming out in Italy?

Ahmed was arrested on 6/7, Mercury News reported it on 7/12. So it's a story released on purpose. I think it is used to remind people that Madrid bombing is done by Al Qaida to discredit my allegation "it was done to help Aznar's election." It's amazing Feds could continually push out mastermind one after another for their own purpose.

2. Tenet resigned on 6/3. Mercury News reported, "Bush is unlikely to nominate a permanent successor before the November election, Republicans said, because a confirmation battle this summer would attract more attention to the agency's assessments of Saddam Hussein's weapons." High ranking took no care to the dangerous situation that Ashcroft and Mueller warned. So I realized there would be no real terrorist attack but an attack from their own. I wrote message "233. CIA chief resigns (6/9)". In it I doubted how could a captain of a battleship let sonar operater leave when there is an alarm of submarine attack.

I think the following news is a cover up to that obvious flaw.

"Senators urge swift naming of new CIA chief.
...... that "during such a dangerous period for the US" it would be "unacceptable" to leave the job vacant until after the election." (S.J.M.N. Brief news 7/12/04)

3. In message '232. Terror attack and distraction (6/4)" I talked about the Homeland Security Dept. whose previledge of terror warning was neglected. I thought D.O.J. was the mastermind of terror attack which was planned to distract the attention of a framed drug case. The following news can be viewed as a repair to that flaw.

On 7/8, Homeland Security Secretary Tom Ridge said in a news conference that there is credible information there will be large scale Al Qaida terrorist attacks before November election.

This is a continuation of 5/26 terrorist attack warning of D.O.J.. Though they missed the plan of 6/19, they planned another one in near future.