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Old 01-16-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Psychological manipulation and propaganda (12/28)

Bush was elected not by people but inside group (6)

Some people apologized to the world that US has Bush elected for the second term. They don't have to. The majority of Americans didn't elect Bush. It was inside group which selected Bush by a rigging election and media propaganda.

There was really nothing good to justify Bush's victory, the media at last throw out a "moral value". But under this justification, Bush should have been a big loser because he is a dishonest man. He misled US to an unjust war by a big lie - that Iraq was an imminent threat to us.

Media rarely report the conflict exit poll in US election but beat the drum to same event happened in Ukraine. Yushchenko's poison case played same role as "Swift boat team" - to tarnish the rival in election.

A destroyed face played the propaganda to its utmost.

1. Most poison were used to hurt victim's health, on the purpose to take their lives. A poison to destroy someone's face is rarely heard.

2. Yushchenko vigorously active in election. It seems the poison didn't hurt his health much.

3. Yushchenko and Western media blow the trumpet said that he was poisoned. It seems the poison was selected for propaganda much more than killing.

4. Motive is important in any case. Who benefit from this election if the victim having a destroyed face?

5. Is perpetrator an amateur who selected a wrong poison to let others know that Yushchenko was obviously poisoned? Or just want to have a propaganda?

Next time when you see the TV repeatedly broadcast the collapse of World Trade Center; or a destroyed face; see the orange terror alarm code; or see the US map printed in blue and red color, be aware that it's a psychological manipulation. Government has a purpose.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by kathaksung
Psychological manipulation and propaganda (12/28)

Bush was elected not by people but inside group (6)
Inside the US! I got quite a laugh here.
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Some people apologized to the world that US has Bush elected for the second term. They don't have to. The majority of Americans didn't elect Bush.
NEWS FLASH! Recounting is done.
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It was inside group which selected Bush by a rigging election and media propaganda.
What media propaganda? Michael Moore?!
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There was really nothing good to justify Bush's victory, the media at last throw out a "moral value". But under this justification, Bush should have been a big loser because he is a dishonest man. He misled US to an unjust war by a big lie - that Iraq was an imminent threat to us.
Which lie are you referring to? The missing nukes?! Not only do we know he had them, we know where they came from.


Missing Iraqi High-Precision Nuclear Experiment Was Stolen by Experts
Oct 16, 2004
Missing Iraqi High-Precision Nuclear Experiment Was Stolen by Experts, Not Looted, Diplomats Say

There are indications that missing high-precision nuclear-related equipment in Iraq was removed by experts working systematically, contrary to claims by Iraqi officials that the equipment was taken during disorganized looting, diplomats said yesterday (see GSN, Oct. 14).

Satellite imagery available to the International Atomic Energy Agency of Iraqi nuclear sites indicates the scale and complexity of an operation to remove the missing equipment, one diplomat said.

“Our assumption is that this had to have been an organized effort by professionals who had to have had heavy lifting equipment and big trucks,” the diplomat said (George Jahn, Associated Press/Boston Herald, Oct. 14).

Meanwhile, Russia yesterday called on the United States and the interim Iraqi government to allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency and the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission to return to Iraq, according to Agence France-Presse.

“We believe that these organizations, which possess all the necessary expertise to that end, must as soon as possible receive unlimited access to Iraq’s nuclear sites to resume their interrupted task,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said in a statement (Agence France-Presse/SpaceWar.com, Oct. 15).
http://www.all-hands.net/pn/modules....ticle&sid=1348

STATEMENT BY ALEXANDER YAKOVENKO, THE OFFICIAL SPOKESMAN OF RUSSIA'S MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS
6.06.2003
Moscow has received with satisfaction news of the approval by both Houses of the US Congress of the full amount of funds - 450 million dollars - asked by the US administration for rendering assistance to Russia and the CIS under Pentagon auspices (the Nunn-Lugar program) in the financial year 2004. The Russian side has positively noted the fact that the Senate and the House of Representatives in their versions of the defense spending bill for one more year - until September 30, 2004 - gave the US president the right to authorize financing for the construction of a chemical weapons destruction facility (CWDF) in Shchuchye.
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/li...06-mfarf01.htm
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Media rarely report the conflict exit poll in US election but beat the drum to same event happened in Ukraine. Yushchenko's poison case played same role as "Swift boat team" - to tarnish the rival in election.
I was in the US Navy from 1971 - 1975. What do you have against Swiftboat Veterans?
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A destroyed face played the propaganda to its utmost.
How so? I am familiar with their claims.
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1. Most poison were used to hurt victim's health, on the purpose to take their lives. A poison to destroy someone's face is rarely heard.

2. Yushchenko vigorously active in election. It seems the poison didn't hurt his health much.
Didn't hurt much? Have you seen the pictures?

Two photos: 4 months apart.

Foreigners Bullish on Yushchenko's Ukraine
January 18, 2005
If investors hadn't heard of Ukraine a few months ago, they have now.

A country of nearly 50 million people, Ukraine has a four-year track record of booming, export-driven economic growth and a fat trade surplus. Last week it announced record gross domestic product growth last year of 12 percent, Europe's best.
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/storie...01/18/050.html
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3. Yushchenko and Western media blow the trumpet said that he was poisoned. It seems the poison was selected for propaganda much more than killing.
It was supposed to kill him. Thanks for showing your reflections on attempted murder.
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4. Motive is important in any case. Who benefit from this election if the victim having a destroyed face?
But, it was supposed to kill him.
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5. Is perpetrator an amateur who selected a wrong poison to let others know that Yushchenko was obviously poisoned? Or just want to have a propaganda?
It was likely someone who opposed him. Who could that be?

Only Revolutionary Struggle Against Capitalism and Imperialism Can Transform the Situation in Favour of the People
Statement of the Manitoba Regional Committee of the Communist Party of Canada

A Victory for Democracy in Ukraine?

January 1, 2005
In 1991 when the Soviet Union was dissolved, Ukrainians were told that communism was responsible for the anti-democratic activities of their leaders.

When he becomes thoroughly discredited, he will in turn earn the label “conservative” and some new “reformer” will arrive on the scene to hoodwink the people. This has become the modus operandi of the Eastern European oligarchs and their Western allies. Only by overthrowing all of the oligarchs and building a new, socialist society will the Ukrainian people achieve the democratic renewal of their society that they so deeply desire.
http://www.modern-communism.ca/mc601.pdf
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Next time when you see the TV repeatedly broadcast the collapse of World Trade Center; or a destroyed face; see the orange terror alarm code; or see the US map printed in blue and red color, be aware that it's a psychological manipulation. Government has a purpose.
And the US Government has a purpose. In part, it is to hold criminals accountable for their behavior.
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Old 01-27-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

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Originally Posted by kinetic

Missing Iraqi High-Precision Nuclear Experiment Was Stolen by Experts
Oct 16, 2004
Missing Iraqi High-Precision Nuclear Experiment Was Stolen by Experts, Not Looted, Diplomats Say

There are indications that missing high-precision nuclear-related equipment in Iraq was removed by experts working systematically, contrary to claims by Iraqi officials that the equipment was taken during disorganized looting, diplomats said yesterday (see GSN, Oct. 14).

Satellite imagery available to the International Atomic Energy Agency of Iraqi nuclear sites indicates the scale and complexity of an operation to remove the missing equipment, one diplomat said.

“Our assumption is that this had to have been an organized effort by professionals who had to have had heavy lifting equipment and big trucks,” the diplomat said (George Jahn, Associated Press/Boston Herald, Oct. 14).

Meanwhile, Russia yesterday called on the United States and the interim Iraqi government to allow inspectors from the International Atomic Energy Agency and the U.N. Monitoring, Verification and Inspection Commission to return to Iraq, according to Agence France-Presse.

“We believe that these organizations, which possess all the necessary expertise to that end, must as soon as possible receive unlimited access to Iraq’s nuclear sites to resume their interrupted task,” Russian Foreign Ministry spokesman Alexander Yakovenko said in a statement (Agence France-Presse/SpaceWar.com, Oct. 15).
http://www.all-hands.net/pn/modules....ticle&sid=1348.
As you said, there was satellite imagery and nuclear equipment moving need heavy machine. If you have a memory, do you remember there was a UN weapon inspect team with IAEA experts in Iraq just before Bush invading Iraq. Saddam was forced to let the inspection team to check everywhere they wanted even his palace. How couldn't they find anything then but now you had that question?

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.Didn't hurt much? Have you seen the pictures?

Two photos: 4 months apart.

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I said "It seems the poison didn't hurt his health much." Please don't confuse the two words "face" and "health".

You put the pictures here. It only strenthens my word: A destroyed face played propaganda to the utmost.

And you still haven't answer my questions. Repeat:

1. Most poison were used to hurt victim's health, on the purpose to take their lives. A poison to destroy someone's face is rarely heard.

2. Yushchenko vigorously active in election. It seems the poison didn't hurt his health much.

3. Yushchenko and Western media blow the trumpet said that he was poisoned. It seems the poison was selected for propaganda much more than killing.

4. Motive is important in any case. Who benefit from this election if the victim having a destroyed face?

5. Is perpetrator an amateur who selected a wrong poison to let others know that Yushchenko was obviously poisoned? Or just want to have a propaganda?

Is Yushchenko a superman? Or is new KGB too incompetent? Or something else?

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Make a blackmail more efficient (1/8)

Bush was elected not by people but inside group (7)

"Democrat wins Washington with 130 votes". Mercury News reported on Dec. 24. It said Democrat Christine Gregoire won the election by 130 votes out of 2.9million ballots cast in third round of recounting by hand. The previous count and recount declared that she had lost to her GOP rival Dino Rossi by 261 and 42 votes separately. The article came with a picture of smiling C. Gregoire. She really had a reason to smile to win the seat of governor of Washington at such a slim margin:0.004%.

The price of this victory may be big for Democrat : The seat of Presidency of US. I think it's a concession to the pressure of people whom demand investigation on obvious election fraud in Florida and Ohio.

Strange enough, the protest on rigging election are mostly from individual groups or observer. The high ranking of Democrats seem keep a blind eye on it. Kerry quickly admits his failure despite a controversial election. Have you ever heard any words from Clinton, Gore, Kerry, Edwards..... about the fraud? These people are experts. They know the principle of game. If there is no order from inside group, they won't make a move.

As a matter of fact, the result of election was decided long time ago. When they pushed Howard Dean out of the campaign in Democrat's Primary, the inside group had got what they want already. There is little difference between Kerry and Bush. They both voted for war and Patriot Act. Bush was elected because he was proved a loyalty of inside group. He was more eager to sell his soul.

The skill to squeeze more from an election now is more advanced. Though they are able to make a unilateral victory for a candidate, Feds created a situation that by only control several hundreds of votes they can decide a governor of a state. Or by only control the election result of a state, they can decide a president of US. With which they can more efficiently to blackmail the candidate.
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Old 02-06-2005
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Control media - intimidation(1/11)

CBS fires four staffers over Bush story. Dan Rather also will step down as anchorman of the "CBS Evening News". All these because they had been "myopic zeal" about Bush's story relied on forged documents.

They had reason to believe the documents handed to them at that time. The fact was Bush did escape the service in Vietnam. Some one did arrange him in National Guard to avoid Vietnam service. Bush's military record mysteriously missed. As CBS said, "It's a blow, but it's not fatal. ... Ninety-nine percent of the stories we do are accurate and solid."

They told the Truth. Only the documents they referred was a forged one which was supplied with an evil will. The mistake was made inadvertently.

Compare with Bush. He deliberately misled Americans into an unjust war. He deceived people by fake "WMD" and "imminent danger". He caused the loss of hundred of thousands lives of innocent people. Who is to be blamed?

A witness reported a theft. The accessory of the thief supplied a forge evidence to the witness, deliberately to discredit him. The witness was punished when he referred the forged evidence. The thief, though was a criminal, on contrary, got a prize. Bush was awarded a second term of presidency. A team of CBS lost their job.

Feds used to set up trap for people. Rumsfeld repeated trying to make it a legitimacy of his "Strategy office". They have a "Lie workshop" which produces misinformation and disinformation. CBS event can be viewed as an achievement of this "Strategy office".


Eve and Adam lost paradise after they ate the apple given by Satan. People know who was the evil. They painted Satan a snake. But it's not only the staffers of CBS lost their job. It's another step the American people lost the freedom of speech. It is an advance of Inside group to intimidate media workers for more self restriction. You can expect to have more "political correct" poll and news from media since.
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Old 02-16-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Bush's social security reform (1/28)
A plan to benefit financial group

What Bush intends to do is to drive young people to invest their retire pension into financial market. Who will be winner and who will be loser?

Financial market, especially the stock market, is a speculating market. How can Bush expect people will win in that market? He has no assurance. But one thing he knew for sure is that the financial group will benefit a lot from his proposal.

When people went to Las Vegas. The winner is always Casino. Aladdin, Mirage.... all these grand Hotel were built up on the money lost by gamblers. But at least those gamblers are willing to go there and they more or less got some entertainment.

For those who put their money in financial market, they can expect to contribute more to Gold Sach, JP Morgan, Citi Bank ....

That's probably why Bush only proposes the reform at young people and to a limit portion. If his proposal is real good as he said, then why didn't he suggest to privatize all social security fund, and apply it to all ages? He dares not. He knew there is a risk. Once such a fainancial disaster takes place, the impact won't be felt by young immediately because there is still sometime to their retirement age. They became a Guinea pig of Bush's plan.

The main work Bush did in his first term was to contribute a high profit for military industry and oil group. It seems the mission for him in 2nd term is for the profit of financial group. That is why he is awarded with four more years.
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Old 02-16-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Sucks for you, doesn't it?
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Old 02-26-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Profit for the military and oil companies is a by-product of the war, yes, but I don't actually think that the president is sitting in the Oval Office thinking up ways of being evil. It is a democratic system, and people do have the power, it's just that not enough people vote, and many that do vote for the guy they'd like to drink beer with and not the one who might have the best ideas. That's Americans for you. They give their trust in the way that a dog or a child gives it's master/parent trust; it's blind.
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Old 02-26-2005
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You are wrong. This country is a covert totalitarian country. Here are messages I posted in other thread.


291. CEO and company (2/14/05)

HP ousted its CEO - Carly Fiorina on 2/9. It proved my previous thought.

In early 1990s, I started to suspect it was the house I bought which caused persecution on me. One thing puzzled me was how could they even shut down a company to prevent me from buying the house. How could owner of the company bear the loss to benefit Feds?

Something occurred in 1993 solved this puzzle for me. In May that year, newspaper reported that former owner of Disneyland - Walter Disney was an informant of FBI. I thus knew that Feds ruled country through their informants, especially by the management of company.

About same time there was a campaign between two high ranking executives. They competed for the post of CEO of Disneyland. The struggle ended with one candidate died in a helicopter accident. So another puzzle came into my mind. Either candidate would have
been cooperative with Feds to be its informant, why Feds still choose the CEO by violence?

I finally had a conclusion. Feds now is not satisfied with informants. They need a CEO of their own. That someone represents for the interest of Feds rather than for the interest of company he works for. For example, Walther Disney might refuse to shut down Disneyland for the interest of FBI because that was his blood and sweat. But a CEO of Feds will do. (see "29. "I am you, American."")

In late 2001, HP CEO Fiorina announced acquisition of Compaq. Which was opposed by HP heir Hewllet. I thought it was a typical sample of how a CEO not work for the interest of the company she was employed. I wrote an article, pointed out Hewllet's opinion was for the interest of HP. Fiorina's was not. The recent development proved my theory about CEO. (see "57. FBI's interest" I wrote in 2002.)

Three years later Fiorina is ousted from HP. Her decision to emerge with Compaq played key role in her bad performance. I am an outsider of high tech. business. But even I knew it was a bad deal. How Fiorina in a position with much more information couldn't see the danger and took over a hot potato? What she did might have saved the Compaq from bankruptcy. She might have saved profit of some firms which held a large quantity of Compaq stock. She probably saved the stock market from another shocking downturn. Stock market was gasping in 2001 from the outbreak of dot.com bubble. It couldn't bear another news of bankruptcy of a big firm. What she did, was at the cost of HP's interest.

As what I have said if CEO made a damage, he has little to lose. Fiorina left with a fat pocket. She got 21.4 million of severance pay and a compensation of 8.15 million for 2004. It looks like she did something good and left with a reward. She might get another high ranking job.

292. From Disneyland, HP, to US. (2/19/05)

Disneyland had invested in Michael Moor's documentary film Farhenheit 911. But it refused to distribute the film after it was done. The decision of high ranking was political motivated. As Farhenheit 911 is a business successful film. It got the top prize in Cannes film Festival.

If you view US as a company and president as a CEO, you can find it is operated by inside group in same way they did to a business company.

What has Bush achieved in his first term? Patriot Act was passed and mid-east war activated. The suffering of Americans is apparent. Civil rights are seriously eroded. Lives and money are losing in war. US reputation in the world goes down. Bush hurt the interest of American people to benefit a little group and Israel. Former Prime Minister of Malaysia said that Israel rules world through its proxy, it let others fight and die for them. (The original word Marhatir used was Jews, I don't think it is proper here so replaced it with Israel) Bush is a proxy not work for the interest of US. He let Americans fight and die for the interest of Israel. He was rewarded for a second term.

What will Bush do in another four years? Likely more wars in mid-east to secure Israel. (Syria and Iran) And another important mission for him is to steal from the retirement savings from America people - their social security fund.

Bush's plan to privatize s.s. fund mainly will benefit financial group. And another purpose is to support the stock market from collapsing.

Because Feds held a large quantity of real estate properties, they keep interest rate at unreasonable low level since 2001 to maintain a prosperous housing market. The low interest rate produced two big bubbles in housing market and stock market. these two markets are also the cash boxes for Feds where they withdraw money for their spending.

When the economic situation won't allow interest rate staying in low level any more and turn up to go upward, the two bubbles are going to break up. It's hard to keep the house price to be higher when interest rate rises. So the only choice for them is to save the stock market which is controlled by big financial group.

What Bush going to do is to drive small fish into a slaughter market to lure the big fish from leaving. To keep a cash box of Feds to be active while the other one (housing market) will go low in recent future. As I have said, a CEO in US doesn't work for the interest of company he was employed. Bush works for the interest of inside group which selected him to be a president of US.
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Old 03-05-2005
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If you, gentlemen, really want “to see US politics from another angle”, compare it with politics of present-day totalitarian regimes in Central Asia, for instance. And you’ll realize that there are practically no differences for our “democratic” state and e.g. authoritarian government in Turkmenistan. It’s common knowledge that Turkmen authorities abridge liberty of speech, freedom of the press, exercising control over mass and I-net. They bow down, imposing restrictions on freedom of association and assembly, in order to curtail political activity of non-governmental organizations, including groups of religious minorities. Nijazov does it with the aim of exercising control over latitude in religion. Turkmen powers are also interested in restriction of movement freedom and freedom of migration. But is that so only in Turkmenistan? Can you see the same things in our life after adopting notorious Patriotic Act? Nobody can deny the fact that America has changed greatly after 9/11 attack, because Bush administration forced us to believe in the necessity of great curtailment of democratic liberties and even restrictions of personal freedoms. But only few people are able to understand that in reality the main goal of it is non-admission of our government’s criticism and returning to totalitarian power (just the same as existing in far Turkmenistan, for example).
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Old 03-09-2005
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295. Who controls D.O.J.? (3/7/05)

Former President Kennedy was assassinated. Former President Clinton was impeached. All these revealed that even in top position, US politicians are under the control of intelligence. They were under the surveillance. They were extorted, blackmailed by intelligence. If they disobeyed, then they were punished by scandal, or even been assassinated.

Former President Nixon was impeached and lost his post in oval office in early 70's. The formal reason was he lied to cover up a tape which might reveal his awareness of illegal campaign activity. But lie and dirty campaign activity were common among high ranking politicians. It was only an excuse. Then what was the real purpose?

In March 2002, a news helped me resolved several puzzles. It was a tape of Nixon's conversation with former treasury secretary Connally. Re:

Quote, "Nixon Defended Envoy's Groping
1972 Tapes Also Reveal Talk of a Justice Dept. 'Full of Jews'

By George Lardner Jr.
Washington Post Staff Writer
Friday, March 1, 2002; Page A02

"Oh! Oh, God!" Nixon said with a sigh. "It erodes our confidence, our strength. They're untrustworthy. . . . Look at the Justice Department, it's full of Jews."
"Any place of power," Connally agreed. "SEC used to be -- all of them, those lawyers."
"Listen, the lawyers in government are damn Jews," Nixon said.
Both men agreed that Nixon should try to reduce the Jewish influence in a second term. Nixon told Connally on May 15 that he wanted no more than 2 percent of the government's political appointees to be Jewish, in proportion to the population. He later said 10 percent would be acceptable, "but certainly not 30 or 40 percent."

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn...2002Feb28.html

I then knew who control Justice department and why Nixon lost his job. D.O.J. controls FBI and DEA.

Nixon realized that there was a disproportion of government political appointees to the population. He thought it was not for the interest of US and tried to change that situation. He was impeached before he could do it.

Now I know why Sharon said, "Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America, and the Americans know it." - Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon, to Shimon Peres, October 8th, 2001

(There is a strong EM wave attack on me and I alleged there will be a big action coming. See next message.)
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Old 03-19-2005
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297. Graham and Disney (3/17/05)

The news about Walter Disney in May, 1993 came with the publish of book "Walter Disney, Hollywood's dark prince". In which W. Disney was described negatively. That he was an abused boy; he drank heavily; he persecute his employees; he was anti-semitic, anti-union, anti-communism. Most disturbing thing was that he was a FBI informant which W. Disney's family strongly denied.

Walter Disney is a beloved American icon. Every person has a nice memory of a childhood with Micky mouse and Snow White. Why he was so much humiliated?

The author of the book said his information obtained through the Freedom of Information Act. It was an excuse. There are many celebrities who are FBI informants. Why they are protected from being exposed by the Freedom of Information Act but W. Disney?

Nobody knew this except FBI and Disney himself. W. Disney wouldn't have done it even if he is alive. So the other possibility is it was leaked by FBI. Nobody can let the news published except FBI because it controls everything in US. They could deny it in the name of security. To reveal the identity of informant, even the informant had passed away, is against principle of intelligence. Then what made FBI betray its own principle? I puzzled.

The puzzle was resolved 9 years later by the news of Nixon's tape, It started :

Quote, "Saturday, 2 March, 2002, 03:05 GMT
Graham regrets Jewish slur
The Reverend Billy Graham has apologized for a taped conversation with former President Nixon in which he said the Jewish "stranglehold" of the media was ruining the United States and must be broken."

(see "295. Who controls D.O.J.? (3/7/05)")

Graham is a celebrity. Then I recalled W. Disney. He was a celebrity too. According to the news he was anti-semitic; anti-union; anti-communism. Which is the power that can humiliate him?

No wonder Sharon said, " We, the Jewish people, control America." It can force US celebrity apologizing to them. What about people passed away? They were humiliated.

It was not a coincidence that the negative news about Disney was released in 1993. At same period, a man became the CEO of Disneyland when his rival died in a helicopter accident. News said new CEO is a Jewish. Thirty years after Walter Disney's passing away, he was not only humiliated, his kingdom was also taken over by someone he disliked. It was a power show-off.

(I was blocked to post the new message a few minutes ago by error page. Since the persecution is intensified these days, a censorship may occur anytime.)
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Winner and loser

Question, "Historical, the stock market offered 10% returns over the long haul (40 years)."

Who got that 10% return? Rich people. When they got 20%, 30% or above, Much more people got 1%, 2% or negative return.

When Buffett got a return much higher than others, someone must pay for the money he made. The payer will be the average people.

RE: Gates, Buffett, China 'run from dollar' Expert sees development as sharp warning to Americans Posted: February 3, 2005

Decisions by the world's two wealthiest men to bet on a further weakening of the U.S. dollar, coupled with China's lack of confidence in American currency should grab the attention of every working person, says Craig Smith, CEO of Swiss America Trading <

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates is following the example of Berkshire Hathaway Chairman Warren Buffett, who made a pretax gain of $412 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 by buying foreign currencies.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42687

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RE: MUTUAL FUNDS TO AVOID

These 10 Funds are the worst of the worst. See how much a $10K investment would be worth after five years:

· T. Rowe Price Sci & Tech: .......... $3,534 ·

Putnam Voyager B:......................... $5,971 ·

White Oak Growth Stock:.............. $5,593 ·

Janus Global Technology: .............$3,504 ·

Putnam Growth Opp.: ......................$4,359 ·

MainStay Cap. App. B:................... $5,817 ·

Scudder Growth Fund A:................ $5,638 ·

PIMCO PEA Innovation C:............. $2,667 ·

Morgan Stanley Info B: ...................$3,378 ·

Firsthand Tech. Val. Inv: .................$3,602

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Government always tell you the average return of financial market. They will never tell you who got the chunk and who got the bit. Casino show you some one got the million dollars prize. They don't tell you most people go home with empty pocket.

My question is still there. If stock market is that good as you said, 10% return in long period, then why don't invest all S.S. fund into that market? Even children is able to know it.

Because only a few of people benefit a high profit. Most people are the loser. Did you see the work of above mutual fund? They are iceberg of failed investment firm. In five years they not only made no income, they also lost 50% to 70% of its fund. I can tell you the loser won't be Buffett, Gates, Lockfeller or Morgan, it's average people.
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Old 03-29-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Winner and loser

Question, "Historical, the stock market offered 10% returns over the long haul (40 years)."

Who got that 10% return? Rich people. When they got 20%, 30% or above, Much more people got 1%, 2% or negative return.

When Buffett got a return much higher than others, someone must pay for the money he made. The payer will be the average people.

RE: Gates, Buffett, China 'run from dollar' Expert sees development as sharp warning to Americans Posted: February 3, 2005

Decisions by the world's two wealthiest men to bet on a further weakening of the U.S. dollar, coupled with China's lack of confidence in American currency should grab the attention of every working person, says Craig Smith, CEO of Swiss America Trading <

Microsoft Chairman Bill Gates is following the example of Berkshire Hathaway Chairman Warren Buffett, who made a pretax gain of $412 million in the fourth quarter of 2004 by buying foreign currencies.

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/ar...TICLE_ID=42687

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RE: MUTUAL FUNDS TO AVOID

These 10 Funds are the worst of the worst. See how much a $10K investment would be worth after five years:

· T. Rowe Price Sci & Tech: .......... $3,534 ·

Putnam Voyager B:......................... $5,971 ·

White Oak Growth Stock:.............. $5,593 ·

Janus Global Technology: .............$3,504 ·

Putnam Growth Opp.: ......................$4,359 ·

MainStay Cap. App. B:................... $5,817 ·

Scudder Growth Fund A:................ $5,638 ·

PIMCO PEA Innovation C:............. $2,667 ·

Morgan Stanley Info B: ...................$3,378 ·

Firsthand Tech. Val. Inv: .................$3,602

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Government always tell you the average return of financial market. They will never tell you who got the chunk and who got the bit. Casino show you some one got the million dollars prize. They don't tell you most people go home with empty pocket.

My question is still there. If stock market is that good as you said, 10% return in long period, then why don't invest all S.S. fund into that market? Even children is able to know it.

Because only a few of people benefit a high profit. Most people are the loser. Did you see the work of above mutual fund? They are iceberg of failed investment firm. In five years they not only made no income, they also lost 50% to 70% of its fund. I can tell you the loser won't be Buffett, Gates, Lockfeller or Morgan, it's average people.
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Old 04-02-2005
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Kathaksung doesn't understand the notion of CREATING wealth. In his myopic lil' world every penny that a rich person has must have come from someone else. Well guess what, not only has Bill Gates Billions been CREATED by him (not "lost" by someone else in the process) but Gates has made lots of other people millionaires in the process!
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Old 04-08-2005
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Location: San Jose, Ca. U.S.A.
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Thanks for reminding. I think I will do an analysis for you about stock market.

A farmer plant a seed. He sold the fruit The famer create a wealth.
A worker produce a car. He sold the car. He creates a wealth.

Investor A buys one hundred shares at 1.00/share. The company got one hudred dollars to pay rent, wage and material. Then the stock market rise to peak. Investor A sold the share at 1.10/share to investor B. A got 110 dollars. He made a 10% profit. But is that 10 dollars created? No. it was B's loss. When B bought the stock from A, he became a potential loser. What he bought is only a piece of paper. He can't cash the stock with the company which issued it. What B can do is hoping some one else to take over the paper.

Situation 1. If the stock is Enron, then when it went bankruptcy, B's stock worth nothing. Here Company got 100 dollars. A got 10 dollars. B is the loser. He lost 110 dollars. Winners' money is from loser's. It's evidenct.

Situation 2. If the stock is HP, then in trough, the share price may fall to 0.90/share. B sold it to C. B lost 20 dollars. C paid 90 dollars for 100 shares. C sold the stock in peak 2 at 1.20/share to D. Now D becomes a potential loser. If nobody has the will to buy his paper, then the stock worth zero. Now let's see, company got 100 dollars. A sold stock at 1.10/share. he made 10 dollars. B bought at 1.10/share, sold at 0.90/share. B lost 20 dollars. C bought at 0.90/share and sold at 1.20/share. C won 30 dollars. 10(A) + 30(C) + 100 (company) = 20(B loss) + 120 (D's potential loss)

You can see there is no wealth created. How much winner got is how much loser and potential loser lost.

The value of stock market is supported by continue coming of investment fund. One thing you should know the people who hold the stock is no other then hold a paper. That's a bubble. When no money came, then the bubble will break up. That's why Bush tries to drive retirement fund into the market: to take over the hot potato.

(I omit the dividend here. it's samething like interest paid by bank.)
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