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Old 12-23-2003
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See US politics From another angle .

It looks like a democratic system. It's not. The two parties are all under control of inside group. Politicians are puppets. The campaign is actually like a horse racing. And the candidates are like domesticated horses.

This time the inside group like Bush to stay in 2nd term of president because he is obedient. He followed the order to start an injustice war. So they keep him there because they want more war. The other candidate who may be a possible threat to Bush were advised to leave.

What is the target of politicians? President. Can you immagine a department manager give up the chance to be raised to the position of executive president? But Tom Daschle and Al Gore were advised to abandon to election 2004. Because they may defeat Bush. And they obeyed. That's why I say it's a domestic horse racing. Everything depends on Master's will.

They leave some incompetant horses for Demo and make it a chaotic circus. Let them attack each other. All to make sure Bush can continue to be a "war president".

And of course, you always see those government accessaries, discredit this and support that. At the purpose to weak Demo and strenthen Bush.
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Old 12-23-2003
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So, who's "Master?"
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Old 12-23-2003
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So, who's "Master?"

Obviously he's "The Wizard of Oz" behind the curtains, dummy! Don't you ever listen to fairy tales??
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Old 12-29-2003
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I don't believe in that kind of organised conspiracy, but it's been obvious for some time that in American "Democracy" there are two political parties that are the same with some differences in the way they market themselves.
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Old 12-29-2003
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I don't believe in that kind of organised conspiracy, but it's been obvious for some time that in American "Democracy" there are two political parties that are the same with some differences in the way they market themselves.
Nonsense. The dems are the party of big government, big taxes, socialization of health care, big regulation, anti-federalism, anti-constitutionalism, surrender of national sovereignty, obliteration of national identity, abortion on demand, the racial spoils system, special privileges for dem ethnic and other constituencies, opposition to free speech, and anti-religious bigotry among many other things -- there's LOTS of difference.
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Old 12-29-2003
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Are there any directions in the internet on how to make a presentable tinfoil hat?
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Old 12-30-2003
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Nonsense. The dems are the party of big government, big taxes, socialization of health care, big regulation, anti-federalism, anti-constitutionalism, surrender of national sovereignty, obliteration of national identity, abortion on demand, the racial spoils system, special privileges for dem ethnic and other constituencies, opposition to free speech, and anti-religious bigotry among many other things -- there's LOTS of difference.

I think you'll find that they talk about doing some of those things, but that when in power, they're not very different from the Republicans at all. Of course, I am much further away from it than you are, so I could be misinformed.

Surrender of national sovereignty? Really?

Abortion on demand? Can someone who's actually had one tell me how easy or hard it really was?
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Old 12-30-2003
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Surrender of national sovereignty? Really?

Yes, for example the incessant yammer from most of the dems that U.S. military action should be vetted by the U.N., on the preposterous notion that the approval of that collection of dictator's representatives, arab theocracies, and third-word ratholes somehow constitutes "international law".

Another example: the International Criminal Court so beloved of eurostatists, which would have global jurisdiction - in the U.S. that would be a contravention of our constitution.

Abortion on demand? Can someone who's actually had one tell me how easy or hard it really was?

That has been the program for years of NARAL and NOW, the main pro-abortion organizations, who have fiercely fought any possible restriction, including the recently passed partial birth abortion ban, (which was of course immediately stopped by liberal/left judges). No restriction is the same as abortion on demand.
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Old 01-03-2004
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Humble Demo.

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Inside group which controlls Media and intelligence.

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Humble Demo.

When it develops to the today's situation, can't you see who controls the US politicians and media? It's not a Democratic country but a covert totalitarian country now. When this power group needs a war in Mid-east, they censor the anti-war information. President Bush started a war without sufficient justification, he is awarded a high approve rate by media though there is a bad economy.

911 is allowed to happen. To expand DOJ's police power, government insiders activated anthrax attack to push the passing through of Patriot Act. And DC sniper shooting pushed Capitalhill law makers to authorize the Iraq war power to President Bush. If you are not obedient, Senator Wellstone's death is a model. That's why there is a humble Democratic Party.
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Old 01-03-2004
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Yes, for example the incessant yammer from most of the dems that U.S. military action should be vetted by the U.N., on the preposterous notion that the approval of that collection of dictator's representatives, arab theocracies, and third-word ratholes somehow constitutes "international law".
Perhaps it's the closest we can get to a global democracy. Do people in other parts of the world not get a vote?


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Another example: the International Criminal Court so beloved of eurostatists, which would have global jurisdiction - in the U.S. that would be a contravention of our constitution.
How so? And do you not think that American soldiers should be subject to war crimes trials? Or are we supposed to believe that American courts martial can be trusted to take care of it? Take a look at gitmo before you answer that one.

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Abortion on demand? Can someone who's actually had one tell me how easy or hard it really was?

That has been the program for years of ... have fiercely fought any possible restriction ... immediately stopped by liberal/left judges ...
So, can someone who's actually had one tell me how hard or easy it really was?
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Perhaps it's the closest we can get to a global democracy. Do people in other parts of the world not get a vote?

Did you read what I wrote? How does the representative of say, China, the representative of the chinese dictatorship, not the elected representative of the chinese people, constitute the "closest we can get to a global democracy" -- it has nothing to do with democracy!

How so? And do you not think that American soldiers should be subject to war crimes trials? Or are we supposed to believe that American courts martial can be trusted to take care of it? Take a look at gitmo before you answer that one.

Have no idea what you're talking about re Gitmo -- the only thing of significance to happen there recently is islamic and arab-american soldiers acting as spies against the U.S. The last ACTUAL U.S. war criminal was Sergeant Calley in the Vietnam War who was duly tried and convicted in a U.S. court marshall.
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Old 01-04-2004
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Forget Democracy, it sucks compared to our representative republic.

And forget global, that would mean giving up our US Constitution. No thanks!
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Old 01-13-2004
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There are many petitions suggest to impeach Bush. It won't succeed. On the contrary, he will be awarded for a second term.

Why the media beat the drum on a personal affair and almost impeached President Clinton from his post. While awarded President Bush with a high approve rate when he misled American people to an unnecessary war?

If you can view the whole thing from another angle. That terrorist group is manipulated by CIA and Mosad. And what Bush did was following a "road map" a powerful group designed earlier. You may know it better.

The bombing of US Cole and embassy in Africa were provokation for a Mid-east war. Rumsfeld and Wolfowitz had lobbied Clinton for the war in Jan. 1998 but failed. Clinton ordered missil bombing in Sudan and Afghanistan but didn't start a war. He was punished by Lewinsky scandal and was almost impeached from his post.

Since bombing of Cole and US embassador in Afirica were not big enough to touch off a war, they had a big attack in US. Many information revealed that 911 was allowed to happen. With which Bush started war with Afghan. But that was not the main target of "road map". Bush then started war with Iraq even though there was no sufficient justification. He did a good job for that power group. How could him be impeached?

Bin Laden was not found because he is too important for intelligence. His existence gives an excuse to make "war on terrorism" an endless one. He won't be arrested or killed until they found another terror leader to substitute him.

The "Road map" is not finished. There are more "evil countries" in the list. The war on terror is a long one. So Bush will stay in his post, as well as Bin Laden.
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So, who's "Master?"
The Corperates.

US politics is really a system of Polyarchy, a Federal-Republic with a two party facade and some useless choiceless voting going on in the peripherals. I wouldn't really call it democracy with a capital D.
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... (Bush) will be awarded for a second term.
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