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Behavior AFTER an incident can often lead to an assumption of what happened BEFORE. What did WalMart do other than call an ambulance? They knew shoppers had killed an employee. So did they call the police? Or did they close down and keep them all there for quesitioning? What did the store do AFTER this took place?
Doesn't matter.

The guy didn't get killed because of anything Wal-Mart did. He was killed as a result of the actions of these fucking idiots who go shopping at five in the morning.

And, if you think they were unruly getting into the store, lock the doors and tell them they can't leave.

Great idea, Shine...

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Mobs make me sick.

And, a bit off topic but another example of sick mobs, is the example of a teenager who committed suicide last week while broadcasting on the web and no one did a thing about it until it was too late. In fact some even egged him on. KNX - Live Internet Suicide
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So it's Wal-Mart's fault?



Huh... and here I was blaming the idiots who rushed the store...
yes I believe it is; they created the event, they knew what would occur as to crowds etc. and of they didn't they could just look outside before opening time, they had a responsibility to ensure an orderly process as to getting people onto the premises safely.

IF this were a one off I might be able too muster some sympathy for wal-mart but we started this out with that Cincinnati concert crush back in the 80's as the crowd was let loose for general seating, there by almost guaranteeing a rush, and this has occurred many times there after, to me that means they have a willful responsibility to ensure such safety and they didn't.
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Doesn't matter.

The guy didn't get killed because of anything Wal-Mart did. He was killed as a result of the actions of these fucking idiots who go shopping at five in the morning.

And, if you think they were unruly getting into the store, lock the doors and tell them they can't leave.

Great idea, Shine...

Hate to tell you, but WalMart was held responsible a few years ago in a parking lot rape case. Woman was dragged into a car and raped on the parking lot. After that Walmart made sure there were employees out on the parking lot at all hours.

I have been to one WalMart in TN that has an armed guard out front.

Walmart most assuredly DOES bear responsibility as the store facilitated the mob mentality and did not have enough security there to keep order.

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Sorry, but I refuse to absolve the idiot shoppers of the blame for this...
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Doesn't matter.

The guy didn't get killed because of anything Wal-Mart did. He was killed as a result of the actions of these fucking idiots who go shopping at five in the morning.

And, if you think they were unruly getting into the store, lock the doors and tell them they can't leave.

Great idea, Shine...

[/QUOTE.

Hate to tell you, but WalMart was held responsible a few years ago in a parking lot rape case. Woman was dragged into a car and raped on the parking lot. After that Walmart made sure there were employees out on the parking lot at all hours.

I have been to one WalMart in TN that has an armed guard out front.

Walmart most assuredly DOES bear responsibility as the store facilitated the mob mentality and did not have enough security there to keep order.

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I'm sure those who knocked that woman down, and those who trampled the stocker to death, would be grateful for your support...
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Sorry, but I refuse to absolve the idiot shoppers of the blame for this...
The store had a duty of 'reasonable care.'

And FYI, if WalMart didn't call the police and have them hauled down to police headquarters, then they have already been absolved and the store has aided and abetted the crime.

But you can rest assured, there will be lawyers on BOTH sides when they count coup in the courts.
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I'm sure those who knocked that woman down, and those who trampled the stocker to death, would be grateful for your support...
Perhaps you should real ALL my posts before you go off the deep end. Which shoppers turned themselves in and stepped up to take responsibility?

Go ahead name names............I am waiting.

No names? Geeze, then someone must have let them get away....whocoulditbe? whocoulditbe?
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Like I said, Shine, I'm sure those idiot shoppers would enjoy your support.

You want to blame Wal-Mart, fine. Go ahead. It's retarded, but if that's what you want to do, I won't try to talk you out of it.

You seem to be of the "let's hold somebody accountable" mindset and, since those who are actually at fault probably won't be caught, well, go after the deep pockets of Wal-Mart.

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So it's Wal-Mart's fault?



Huh... and here I was blaming the idiots who rushed the store...
Wal-Mart created an unstable situation and then failed to provide adequate protection for their customers and employees.
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Like I said, Shine, I'm sure those idiot shoppers would enjoy your support.

You want to blame Wal-Mart, fine. Go ahead. It's retarded, but if that's what you want to do, I won't try to talk you out of it.

You seem to be of the "let's hold somebody accountable" mindset and, since those who are actually at fault probably won't be caught, well, go after the deep pockets of Wal-Mart.

Nice...
No, the customers will probably never be arrested but I hope everyone of them has a lousy Christmas for many years to come.
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Like I said, Shine, I'm sure those idiot shoppers would enjoy your support.

You want to blame Wal-Mart, fine. Go ahead. It's retarded, but if that's what you want to do, I won't try to talk you out of it.

You seem to be of the "let's hold somebody accountable" mindset and, since those who are actually at fault probably won't be caught, well, go after the deep pockets of Wal-Mart.

Nice...
There you go. You haven't even answered my questions about WHO these shoppers are.

WalMart has the duty of "reasonable care." The law is the law and you can think what you like.
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The store had a duty of 'reasonable care.'

And FYI, if WalMart didn't call the police and have them hauled down to police headquarters, then they have already been absolved and the store has aided and abetted the crime.

But you can rest assured, there will be lawyers on BOTH sides when they count coup in the courts.
Yes and I believe the customers had/have a reasonable expectation of safety employed to ensure such etc.
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K. I'll show my age. When folks got trampled at The Who concert many moons ago, was anyone held responsible for that? I do know that the practice of general admission changed soon after, but I don't recall if anyone was held responsible or liable.
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K. I'll show my age. When folks got trampled at The Who concert many moons ago, was anyone held responsible for that? I do know that the practice of general admission changed soon after, but I don't recall if anyone was held responsible or liable.
yes that was what I was referring to in an earlier post, the point being that once this danger become evident, those providing these events had to take reasonable action to prevent a repeat......
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