Liberal Progressive Democrats, Ignorant or Immoral?
After the period of time I've been here I've come to one of two conclusions, It's what I do, find denominators. In the forums I've visited I have found LPDs stating they are for government programs to help those that are less fortunate, which is admirable if it is true. I think most of us step up to the plate as Americans when our fellow man is in dire straits. Some here will suggest that only 'they' are on the side of good.

Now if you have the capacity to determine where help is needed then why do you have a problem delivering that solution on your own? Why do you think the government needs to be involved? Because you can stand in line at the grocery store and donate to most charities, or spend 5 minutes online and you could donate to any charity or organization you so choose. Anything from the Red Cross to United Way or the Homeless Shelter or the SPCA. IS it that you are stupid or ignorant? DO you really not know which organizations need help? You do know that you can start your own charity rather simply by visiting a CPA and filing out some paperwork?

SO if you are not stupid and are capable of sending funds to any charity of your choice or forming one of your own, then you would be immoral to force other free people to do it in your name. Isn't that what you are doing in fact, immorally taking(by force if needed)money from one person and then pretending it came from you or your group? That's what it looks like when you force another to contribute against their will and then the leaders of your group take credit for it, in your name. Immorality at it's peak and definitely not freedom loving people.

I'm only left with two conclusions on the issue of government assistance in the realm of welfare or social spending programs, either LPDs are ignorant or immoral. Which is it? Because I've laid out the options that are available to you with todays technology and I cannot come up with another option at the base. Unless you think you are more ignorant than the politicians you elected as the leaders of your group? I wouldn't guess that for most LPD that I've run into, there are some though.

And with 66+million people you could prove your ideology by setting up your own healthcare system. Blue Cross has about 100 million and I'm sure a number of them would shift to a LPD plan if it's such a wonderful idea. How come you folks don't step up and prove your ideas work? I know they don't, but you could prove me wrong if you had anything to back your words.

And if you think that it would be a double tax you'd be paying then you're not alone, I pay for schools with my taxes and my parents were responsible for me being here and paid taxes for my education. I don't have children of my own. Then there's the guy who smokes cigarettes that pays for things via taxation that he doesn't need, like educating children about cigarettes.

So step up LPDs

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I think they can only answer that question if you first tell us when, exactly, you stopped beating your wife.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

Did you come up with that by yourself?

Off topic troll.

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Neither.
Generally everyone doesn't trust self absorbed people to do the right thing.
Then, for some unfathomable reason, some people believe that when a self-absorbed person gets elected...suddenly they are trustworthy...fascinating.

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The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity; where everything is made simple, and in that simplification the truth is lost.

No, it's a standard cliche used to demonstrate the fallacy to which your OP treated us. You ask a "question" that presupposes the answer you've already decided you want via false dilemma.

Your entire post is a bunch of sophistry surrounding the fundamental invitation that you extend to those with whom you disagree - that is, you invite them to tell you whether disagreeing with you makes someone ignorant, or disagreeing with you makes someone [edit]immoral[/edit]. (the particular pejorative really doesn't matter, but I figured I might as well get it right)

People who live under bridges shouldn't throw trolls.

So, if you tell me when you stopped beating your wife (I'm already assuming you do), I'll tell you whether disagreeing with you makes me "ignorant" or [edit]"immoral"[/edit] (which you're already assuming I am, if I disagree)

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

But the idea that I presented allows LPDs to bypass the government and indulge in their delusions.

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If you're interested in reading more about your particular fallacy

Logical Fallacy: Loaded Question

It even makes reference to the standard loaded question that I did.

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

There is no other option in this case, I've narrowed it down to what is available to us now. They can immorally take money from those that have, or institute their ideas by pooling their own resources to fund their ideas. What else is there?

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We all have delusions.
Including believing that writing off an entire group of people's opinion is automatically "ignorant or immoral"

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The essence of tyranny is the denial of complexity; where everything is made simple, and in that simplification the truth is lost.

Then present another option?

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And, I've narrowed down the options to what is available as well. Either you used to beat your wife and you have stopped, or you're still beating her. What else is there?

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"Government big enough to supply everything you need is big enough to take everything you have... The course of history shows that as a government grows, liberty decreases."

-Thomas Jefferson

WHo here feels that stealing from your neighbor and then taking that money and buying Girl Scout cookies or donating to the Red Cross is virtuous? Especially if public recognition of your acts are in order.

When John Gotti or any other criminal steals money from one person and then hands out Thanksgiving turkeys to those in his neighborhood with that stolen money, is that an act of virtue?

I think it's immoral for people to steal, so we are clear on my position.

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Sounds mighty comfy for you there in your black and white wonderland of logical fallacy.

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All things serve The Beam

I'm not married.

Feel like addressing the topic? Or are you at a loss of words?

Where's the ignore button on this forum?

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The count so far is three for "ignorant"

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