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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by RDK View Post
    How do you come up with the conclusion that someone who works for a payment package that includes time off is somehow getting other people’s money for nothing?
    I come up with it cause it seems the government makes it mandatory there for that package.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    Europe pays its debts just like the US does to China. If we thought we could get money for nothing why would we be bothering with all the austerity measures that are making millions across Europe unemployed as Governments shed staff?
    Cause you getting money for nothing attitude lead to it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    I come up with it cause it seems the government makes it mandatory there for that package.
    People in Europe think having a good work life balance is a higher priority than you do in the US. What's so wrong with having mandated holiday that benefits everyone as we know it may cost us a few jobs but most companies don't see it as a problem giving people half decent holiday entitlements. A company really has to be a bit greedy if they think giving staff a few days a year off will hit the bottom line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    People in Europe think having a good work life balance is a higher priority than you do in the US. What's so wrong with having mandated holiday that benefits everyone as we know it may cost us a few jobs but most companies don't see it as a problem giving people half decent holiday entitlements. A company really has to be a bit greedy if they think giving staff a few days a year off will hit the bottom line.
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    What's having a holiday got to do with freedom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    What's having a holiday got to do with freedom?
    Government forcing vacations on companies sure isnt freedom.
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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by thanatos144 View Post
    I come up with it cause it seems the government makes it mandatory there for that package.
    Illogical.

    Is a minimum wage getting something for nothing?

    Why then is a minimum vacation benefit that employers are mandated to give to their employees the employees getting something for nothing?
    I always find it strange that only reasonable people agree with me.

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    What's having a holiday got to do with freedom?
    Would you be willing to work on a holiday for double pay?

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Sorry for not replying last time jviehe.
    That's an interesting question and I don't think I would as I value my free time too much and I'd rather have a few week of relaxation than a bit of extra cash. I'd rather do overtime in the weeks leading to my holiday if I needed the money.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    Sorry for not replying last time jviehe.
    That's an interesting question and I don't think I would as I value my free time too much and I'd rather have a few week of relaxation than a bit of extra cash. I'd rather do overtime in the weeks leading to my holiday if I needed the money.
    Ok, how about triple overtime?

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Tempting but no. I think I will have the time off.

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    I have to agree.

    For me personally, it wass important to get to a point where I'm happy financially and am not concerned with chasing dollars.

    Speaking only for myself, having time off is far more important than having a few extra dollars or having more stuff. I'm quite content that I'm at a point where I can honestly say that I work to live, not live to work.

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by PeterUK75 View Post
    Tempting but no. I think I will have the time off.
    Ok, how about 10x then? Lets skip ahead to 'whats my point' and assume you WANT to work on a holiday. Sorry, the govt wont let you. And thats the difference between America and Europe. In the US, on most things, we beleive in freedom, both for employers and labor. That means a worker and employer are free to negotiate between themselves the terms of their employment contract, including what days they have off. And no one is forced to accept terms they dont like. And no one is forced to hire based on terms they dont like (unless your black or a woman).

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by jviehe View Post
    Ok, how about 10x then? Lets skip ahead to 'whats my point' and assume you WANT to work on a holiday. Sorry, the govt wont let you. And thats the difference between America and Europe. In the US, on most things, we beleive in freedom, both for employers and labor. That means a worker and employer are free to negotiate between themselves the terms of their employment contract, including what days they have off. And no one is forced to accept terms they dont like. And no one is forced to hire based on terms they dont like (unless your black or a woman).
    This is not entirely true.

    The US has minimum wage laws that require employers to pay a minimum salary. Furthermore, we have laws mandating time and a half and double time for holidays, more than 40 hours a week, etc for hourly workers. Therefore, even if a worker were willing to work more than 40 hours a week, a employer might not be able to afford to let him do that.

    Furthermore, we have affirmitive action laws which restrict what folks an employer can hire in the first place.

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    Re: US work holiday entitlement?

    Quote Originally Posted by timj219 View Post
    Workers tend to be paid the minimum necessary for a given time and place. If you define "worth" as the lowest price the market will allow then you are right.
    That just isn't true.

    Wages in fungible jobs is a market based thing but then they are doing menial jobs. The balance of power between employer and employee starts to balance tremendously as you become more and more specialized. Cashiers at Walmart or Target are paid similarly to cashiers at Piggly Wiggly or Walgreens regardless of how well they actually perform but we're paid far more as individuals as we take on positions requiring more skill.

    There is so much animosity toward government employees right now because they are largely doing menial jobs for big bucks and unbelievable benefits at our expense.
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