Thread: Occupy Wall Street

Originally Posted by 9aces

Originally Posted by Disillusioned_1

Most of their ideas wouldn't seem to work in practice. "Free" college education and "free" healthcare actually can work, Germany has those and has been quite successful (they're not 'free' of course, they're paid through taxation). However, I'm not sure many/most of the other ideas have any track record of working in successful countries. I haven't gone through them all in detail.

Most of their ideas seem to work in practice? Where? Outer Moronica?

FYI, "wouldn't" is a contraction of the words "would" and "not".

Originally Posted by lutherf

Come on Jason.

The list isn't anything close to "official" but the demands are fairly commonplace and there are tons of videos out there with these protesters suggesting the same things.

Not everyone is there for the same reason. So, no, those demands are not "common place".

The only real narrative at work here can be derived from the mission statement released by those who helped to organize and start this thing, and decries the unfairness of the current system, where people who work for their money are having a hard time of it, getting laid off, seeing their collective bargaining rights get taken away from them, seeing their jobs shipped overseas, seeing their tuition and health care costs going up and up and up as far as the eye can see, coming out of school with ridiculous amounts of debt while those who make their money speculating sit back and live like barons.

There are Republicans condescending here when they run their crooked flywheels that these people are looking for a gov't handout.

They're not. They want basic fairness. A system that appears to work for them instead of against them the way they've seen it going the last decade.

Unlike the teabaggers, these are peaceful people who aren't bringing guns to their rallies. They are bringing their drums and musical instruments and songs though, along with humor and imagination and an overall feeling that something is terribly broken and needs to be addressed like the day before yesterday.

Let us take a drive to the scene of the crime and shine a light on what's really wrong with this country. Peacefully. It's about time. I hope we see a throng of people down there the likes of which haven't been seen since the depression.

Originally Posted by Oreo

Just as I was listening to this group--all the political talking heads--we're asking what their demands were for actual action--versus just a protest--and--this came off of another board. It's clear that these people are very young--indoctrinated into socialism--fighting against the evil empire of Capitalism--and they like their leader (Barack Obama) hasn't a clue as to how this economy actually WORKS.

So what do you all think about their PLAN--LOL?

Class warfare is always funny...until the people you're chasing down turn and attack

Originally Posted by michael h

Corporate policy runs government. Government does pick winners and losers as they always have, that's why they are fascist. See GE, GM, bank bailouts, ... and the trillion in annualized loans by the FED to banks. Fascist is as fascist does.

so no matter the evidence you will only see capitalism as the enemy even though it was socialist policies that is the true evil. The blind and ignorant will live in bliss

Originally Posted by lutherf

Jason,

Just to give you a little perspective of why I find that "mission statement" to be less than credible...

Here's a link to a list of demands I read today - http://occupywallst.org/forum/propos...all-st-moveme/

I'll list the demands as written -

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Now I'm sure that this list isn't "official" in any capacity but it certainly does embrace a number of the more common interests I have seen expressed....and it's insane.

Yeah, some of the items on that list are pretty stupid.. seems to be written by someone who is quite naive. It also lacks focus. But like you said, it isn't some kind of "official" list, it's just something written by some blogger. I don't believe there is any official list yet (although I might be mistaken). This whole thing has no leadership (proudly so, by it's own accord), and I have a feeling that this particular set of protests will calm down and fade away.

However, this could be the start of a bigger, more organized movement, with greater focus. And I still think there can be much common ground between this movement and the Tea Party. Basically, we're all sick of the status quo of shitty government.

Threads merged.

Looking at the array of signs these idiots made up I came to the conclusion that they have no specific agenda. I especially like the "genocide" sign.........what a band of morons.

Interesting that they are demanding a Presidential Commission to investigate what Sarah Palin recently spoke out against- "crony capitalism."

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Class warfare is always funny...until the people you're chasing down turn and attack

Hint: If you're chasing someone...you WANT to catch them.

Originally Posted by chassisman

Looking at the array of signs these idiots made up I came to the conclusion that they have no specific agenda. I especially like the "genocide" sign.........what a band of morons.

Most of them are just upset they can't sit on their behinds and play with their I-Phones and be paid to do it. After all, government has been telling people for 2 generations now that they'd take care of them from cradle to grave.

Guess they actually believe that drivel.

Originally Posted by michael h

They do have common ground ... they were both against the bank bailouts. Both are fed up with government. On the other hand is it strange that anyone opposed to a Fascist /corporate cooperative is called a communist and socialist? McCarthy in the house to reign in the bad commie-socialists. Strange that Americas armies cover the planet ... much as Hitler and the Fascist Nazis did.

The govt is indeed tending towards fascism. Im not seeing it with corporations, though. They do not force anyone to use their products.

Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

They're not. They want basic fairness. A system that appears to work for them instead of against them the way they've seen it going the last decade.

The last decade? I got news for you, you described most of human history.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Class warfare is always funny...until the people you're chasing down turn and attack

When these gutter floaters threaten the ability of people to feed their families the people they are chasing will turn around and attack. The wealthy will sit back while the working class folks bash each other's heads in on the streets.