Thread: OWS/Tea Party teaming up? Any takers?

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Rhetoric much?

Lable it what you wish it still does not discount the fact that it is the truth.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Communism is counter to the constitution and this republic so yes if your a communist you are at best anti America.

Since the term "communist" is thrown around as a partisan label as frequesntly as "anti-American" please excuse me if I don't share in this sentiment that the OWS movement is espousing a communist take over of the government.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Lable it what you wish it still does not discount the fact that it is the truth.

The truth is that these labels are used by talk radio and other republican mouth pieces to inflame and rally the sheeple, who are largely ignorant of what these terms really mean.

Originally Posted by ArmyCowboy

Since the term "communist" is thrown around as a partisan label as frequesntly as "anti-American" please excuse me if I don't share in this sentiment that the OWS movement is espousing a communist take over of the government.

The wishing of destroying capitalism for retribution or wealth is communism..........That isnt throwing it around thats what it is.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

The wishing of destroying capitalism for retribution or wealth is communism..........That isnt throwing it around thats what it is.

Capitolism is an economic system.

Communism is a political system which uses the economic system of socialism.

Comparing these terms shows a total lack of understanding as to the their meaning and to government and economic systems in general.

I would suggest turning off the radio and studying economic and political history before trying to compare apples to oranges.

Originally Posted by ArmyCowboy

Capitolism is an economic system.

Communism is a political system which uses the economic system of socialism.

Comparing these terms shows a total lack of understanding as to the their meaning and to government and economic systems in general.

I would suggest turning off the radio and studying economic and political history before trying to compare apples to oranges.

You go right ahead and live with your denial of the truth. I will prepare for the tough times coming for freedom loving Americans.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

You go right ahead and live with your denial of the truth. I will prepare for the tough times coming for freedom loving Americans.

You haven't stated any truth.

You just keep repeating vague generalities and comfortable talking points.

Originally Posted by ArmyCowboy

You haven't stated any truth.

You just keep repeating vague generalities and comfortable talking points.

Vague huh? Like I said live how you like.

Originally Posted by thanatos144

Vague huh? Like I said live how you like.

I agree "vague" is the wrong word. "Incoherent" is more accurate. The statement:
"The wishing of destroying capitalism for retribution or wealth is communism"
is not vague. It's incoherent. "Unintellligible" would work too. As would "inaccurate"

Originally Posted by timj219

I agree "vague" is the wrong word. "Incoherent" is more accurate. The statement:
"The wishing of destroying capitalism for retribution or wealth is communism"
is not vague. It's incoherent. "Unintellligible" would work too. As would "inaccurate"

I stand corrected.

The terms used supplied far more accurately describe those posts.

Originally Posted by CharlesDavenport

I assume that the vast majority of teabaggers are Democrats.

Good luck getting that past them. Call our resident teabaggers Democrats and see what happens.

Originally Posted by darth omar

To the extent that Communism entails common ownership of property and the means of production it denies private property rights. And that's not even getting into its totalitarian aspects. Personal ownership of capital and capitalism are both derivative of private property rights.

I think you're misunderstanding what is meant by "private property." Private property refers to resources, the means of production, and things necessary to keep a society going. No one talks about collectivizing teddy bears and photo albums, there's a difference between personal and private property and personal property is not frowned on by any but the staunchest Communists (and I have yet to meet one). The totalitarian aspect is not a part of Communism as written so is irrelevant.

Rights, that are guaranteed under the 5th Amendment. Is there anything that is manifestly un-American in your opinion?

The 5th Amendment does not guarantee the right to own property. It simply means if you have something, the government cant take it away from you.

Originally Posted by darth omar

I mean any idea or ideology that is antithetical to the founding principles of this country. So, to the extent that OWS is comprised of communists and the like, the group is anti-American.

Erm...except the group ISNT composed of Communists. There are Communists that are there and participating, but the group is not made up exclusively or even by a majority of Communists.

I'll concede that the term 'anti-American' can be over-used; however, I also submit that there is a significant minority of people who don't seem to know what 'American' means. Before you can recognize something as counterfeit you first need to grasp what what the authentic is.

While I will refrain from breaking out the broad-brush with respect to OWS in that regard, I suspect they contain a large number of people who don't have a good handle on the authentic.

How can you say they dont have a handle on the authentic when you cant define what "authentic American" even is?

And they do a good job of marginalizing themselves without anyones help.

They're drawing an awful lot of support for a "marginalized" group.

Originally Posted by Hoplite

Erm...except the group ISNT composed of Communists. There are Communists that are there and participating, but the group is not made up exclusively or even by a majority of Communists.

At last count weren't there about 150 communists in the whole country? Every single one of them must be in NYC.

Originally Posted by timj219

At last count weren't there about 150 communists in the whole country? Every single one of them must be in NYC.

More than that. The CPUSA alone is ~5,000 strong in official memberships and about 10-20,000 in supporters and other participants. I dont know how many people they have at the protests as I'm not a member anymore but I'm sure they have a presence there.