Thread: I'm Thankful For Both the Tea Party and OWS

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy CharlesDavenport,

well, i'll agree on one thing with ye matey, the americans in the video did do a bit 'o shoutin'.

still, i'd probably do the same if me friends who were protestin' non-violently were met with a face full 'o mace.

- MeadHallPirate

No you would not. Have you ever put your fuzzy butt on the line for what you believe? Doubtful.

What about all the people who put their "fuzzy butts" on the line for all the wrong reasons, like the Vietnam and Iraq War? Don't you think that protesters standing up for what they believe in a country where dissent is a vital aspect of the precepts of that nation deserve at least as much respect as those who volunteer to be part of perpetual US warmongering and imperialism based on lies and deceit far from home?

Originally Posted by a777pilot

No you would not. Have you ever put your fuzzy butt on the line for what you believe? Doubtful.

ahoy a777pilot,

i do, matey. one 'o the businesses i own be in the 11th most dangerous neighborhood in america.

11. Charlotte, N.C. | The Most Dangerous Neighborhoods in America | Comcast.net

i believe in me right to self employment and the right to provide jobs fer me crew, and i go to work everyday in a neighborhood that most would shudder to expose tharselves too.

i can tell ye this, too...though i believe them that serve in our military (along with our nation's teachers) be the most patriotic folk in our land, don't keep pattin' yerself on the back. veterans like yerself bore me to tears with thar chest thumpin'.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy a777pilot,

i do, matey. one 'o the businesses i own be in the 11th most dangerous neighborhood in america.

11. Charlotte, N.C. | The Most Dangerous Neighborhoods in America | Comcast.net

i believe in me right to self employment and the right to provide jobs fer me crew, and i go to work everyday in a neighborhood that most would shudder to expose tharselves too.

i can tell ye this, too...though i believe them that serve in our military (along with our nation's teachers) be the most patriotic folk in our land, don't keep pattin' yerself on the back. veterans like yerself bore me to tears with thar chest thumpin'.

- MeadHallPirate

Then use your right to put me on yhour ignor list.

I too, can't stand folk like you that think you are doing something wonderful as you pat yourself on the back for being free. As if you ever did anything to provide that freedom.

Originally Posted by a777pilot

Then use your right to put me on yhour ignor list.

I too, can't stand folk like you that think you are doing something wonderful as you pat yourself on the back for being free. As if you ever did anything to provide that freedom.

ahoy a777pilot,

i don't use me ignore list, matey...imma curious 'bout talkin' to folks whom i might not be agreein' with, its what makes USPO such an interestin' place to be.

ye asked me if i put me arse on the line fer somethin' i believe in, and i answered ye...the answer be "aye". ye can sneer at me response, but it doesn't make ye right.

i also said i respect greatly the idear that folks serve in the military. i dunno why yer bein' so difficult on this issue, the fact that ye were a marine doesn't make yer opinion anymore or less valid than me own regardin' the OP; its actually irrelevant.

to kinda make this less 'bout yerself or me, i'd just say this - them folks who protested nonviolently at UC Davis did put thar butts on the line too, as they were physically assaulted by the powers that be.

*agrees with himself*

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy a777pilot,

i don't use me ignore list, matey...imma curious 'bout talkin' to folks whom i might not be agreein' with, its what makes USPO such an interestin' place to be.

ye asked me if i put me arse on the line fer somethin' i believe in, and i answered ye...the answer be "aye". ye can sneer at me response, but it doesn't make ye right.

i also said i respect greatly the idear that folks serve in the military. i dunno why yer bein' so difficult on this issue, the fact that ye were a marine doesn't make yer opinion anymore or less valid than me own regardin' the OP; its actually irrelevant.

to kinda make this less 'bout yerself or me, i'd just say this - them folks who protested nonviolently at UC Davis did put thar butts on the line too, as they were physically assaulted by the powers that be.

*agrees with himself*

- MeadHallPirate

Oh, F'n great! You are comparing UC Davis students that were breaking the law with those that serve in the military. That's a stretch even for you.

i'd just say this - them folks who protested nonviolently at UC Davis did put thar butts on the line too, as they were physically assaulted by the powers that be.

I thought discussing issues with you was going to be fun and interesting. I was wrong.

Originally Posted by a777pilot

Oh, F'n great! You are comparing UC Davis students that were breaking the law with those that serve in the military.

ahoy a777pilot,

no, i did not say that matey.

i said that the protesters at UC Davis were puttin' themselves in harm's way be protestin', and ended up gettin' assaulted by representatives 'o the government (the police) fer thar non-violent protest.

what be unfair and inaccurate 'bout me summation?

as far as the macin' itself, 'twas really just an officer's utter contempt fer young americans. ye would never have seen such an incident if the protesters were all senior citizens.

- MeadHallPirate

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy a777pilot,

no, i did not say that matey.

i said that the protesters at UC Davis were puttin' themselves in harm's way be protestin', and ended up gettin' assaulted by representatives 'o the government (the police) fer thar non-violent protest.

what be unfair and inaccurate 'bout me summation?

as far as the macin' itself, 'twas really just an officer's utter contempt fer young americans. ye would never have seen such an incident if the protesters were all senior citizens.

- MeadHallPirate

If that is unfair then you should have not said it or paid more attention to words you were using. So they were sprayed, who cares? I don't. If they were given a legal order which they were and they choose not to comply, well, suffer the consequences of their actions. But don't tell me that they were putting their lives on the line for what was right. They were not.

p.s., Have you ever been on a ship at sea? Me? Once, for a week. I didn't like it.

Originally Posted by a777pilot

So they were sprayed, who cares? I don't. If they were given a legal order which they were and they choose not to comply, well, suffer the consequences of their actions.

ahoy a777pilot,

if ye feel that the macin' 'o non violent american protestors be a measured and adequete response by the government, then i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

- MeadHallPirate

ps - i was once on a ship at sea when i was a very young laddy, it was okies dokies, but me own experience was probably very different from yer own if ye were on a military vessel, i'd reckon.

Originally Posted by a777pilot

Oh, F'n great! You are comparing UC Davis students that were breaking the law with those that serve in the military. That's a stretch even for you.

How were they "breaking the law"? By engaging in non-violent civil disobedience? Aren't they also standing up for what they believe and even putting their own health at risk given the storm trooper tactics which many municipalities have employed? How is that so much different than volunteering to serve in many US conflicts of recent history where the vast majority of those who serve face little or no actual danger? Don't you think the authorities overreacted in this particular situation?

Originally Posted by a777pilot

If that is unfair then you should have not said it or paid more attention to words you were using. So they were sprayed, who cares? I don't. If they were given a legal order which they were and they choose not to comply, well, suffer the consequences of their actions. But don't tell me that they were putting their lives on the line for what was right. They were not.

Ironically, that is exactly what the two Iraq War veterans who were shot with projectiles at close range for no reason faced. They both put their own lives on the line for what they believed, and so did the person who was also shot who came to the aid of the first victim of storm trooper tactics. All three could have easily died, and the first one will likely continue to have very serious medical issues as well as this victim of brutal police action:

Occupy Oakland: footage shows police beating 'peaceful' Iraq war veteran

Oakland police investigating after ex-marine Kayvan Sabehgi suffered a ruptured spleen in apparently unprovoked incident

The video shows Kayvan Sabehgi being hit numerous times by an officer clad in riot gear Link to this video

Video footage has emerged of a police officer beating an Iraq war veteran so hard that he suffered a ruptured spleen in an apparently unprovoked incident at a recent Occupy protest in California.

The footage, which has been shared with the Guardian, shows Kayvan Sabehgi standing in front of a police line on the night of Occupy Oakland's general strike on 2 November, when he is set upon by an officer.

He does not appear to be posing any threat, nor does he attempt to resist, yet he is hit numerous times by an officer clad in riot gear who appears determined to beat him to the ground.

Sabehgi, 32, an Oakland resident and former marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, has since undergone surgery on his spleen. He says it took hours for him to be taken to hospital, despite complaining of severe pain. Police have told the Guardian they are investigating the incident.

The footage was recorded by artist and photographer Neil Rivas, who said Sabehgi was "completely peaceful" before he was beaten. "It was uncalled for," said Rivas. "There were no curse words. He was telling them he was a war vet, a resident of Oakland, a business owner."

Sabehgi has previously said he was talking to officers in a non-violent manner prior to his arrest, which the footage appears to confirm.

The 32-year-old can be seen standing in front of a line of police officers, all of whom are in riot gear. The officers walk forward, chanting and thrusting their batons, and Sabehgi starts to walk backwards.

Although the video is dark, an officer can clearly be seen beginning to hit Sabehgi around the legs with a baton, then starting to strike him higher up.

Sabehgi then appears to be bundled to the ground. He was later arrested.

These are utterly deplorable incidents which should never occur in a free and open society, much less the US.

Originally Posted by MeadHallPirate

ahoy a777pilot,

if ye feel that the macin' 'o non violent american protestors be a measured and adequete response by the government, then i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.

- MeadHallPirate

ps - i was once on a ship at sea when i was a very young laddy, it was okies dokies, but me own experience was probably very different from yer own if ye were on a military vessel, i'd reckon.

It was. It was the USS Independance, CV-62.

Originally Posted by Formaldehyde

How were they "breaking the law"? By engaging in non-violent civil disobedience? Aren't they also standing up for what they believe and even putting their own health at risk given the storm trooper tactics which many municipalities have employed? How is that so much different than volunteering to serve in many US conflicts of recent history? Don't you think the authorities overreacted in this particular situation?

Ironically, that is exactly what the two Iraq War veterans who were shot with projectiles at close range for no reason faced. They both put their own lives on the line for what they believed, and so did the person who was also shot who came to the aid of the first victim of storm trooper tactics.

1. If given a lawful order by the police and you choose to not comply, then you are breaking the law.

2. These vets were putting their lives on the line in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, not in an unlawfull demostration. I am sorry they were hurt, but they should not have been there.