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What about all the people who put their "fuzzy butts" on the line for all the wrong reasons, like the Vietnam and Iraq War? Don't you think that protesters standing up for what they believe in a country where dissent is a vital aspect of the precepts of that nation deserve at least as much respect as those who volunteer to be part of perpetual US warmongering and imperialism based on lies and deceit far from home?
i do, matey. one 'o the businesses i own be in the 11th most dangerous neighborhood in america.
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i believe in me right to self employment and the right to provide jobs fer me crew, and i go to work everyday in a neighborhood that most would shudder to expose tharselves too.
i can tell ye this, too...though i believe them that serve in our military (along with our nation's teachers) be the most patriotic folk in our land, don't keep pattin' yerself on the back. veterans like yerself bore me to tears with thar chest thumpin'.
i don't use me ignore list, matey...imma curious 'bout talkin' to folks whom i might not be agreein' with, its what makes USPO such an interestin' place to be.
ye asked me if i put me arse on the line fer somethin' i believe in, and i answered ye...the answer be "aye". ye can sneer at me response, but it doesn't make ye right.
i also said i respect greatly the idear that folks serve in the military. i dunno why yer bein' so difficult on this issue, the fact that ye were a marine doesn't make yer opinion anymore or less valid than me own regardin' the OP; its actually irrelevant.
to kinda make this less 'bout yerself or me, i'd just say this - them folks who protested nonviolently at UC Davis did put thar butts on the line too, as they were physically assaulted by the powers that be.
*agrees with himself*
I thought discussing issues with you was going to be fun and interesting. I was wrong.i'd just say this - them folks who protested nonviolently at UC Davis did put thar butts on the line too, as they were physically assaulted by the powers that be.
no, i did not say that matey.
i said that the protesters at UC Davis were puttin' themselves in harm's way be protestin', and ended up gettin' assaulted by representatives 'o the government (the police) fer thar non-violent protest.
what be unfair and inaccurate 'bout me summation?
as far as the macin' itself, 'twas really just an officer's utter contempt fer young americans. ye would never have seen such an incident if the protesters were all senior citizens.
p.s., Have you ever been on a ship at sea? Me? Once, for a week. I didn't like it.
if ye feel that the macin' 'o non violent american protestors be a measured and adequete response by the government, then i guess we'll just have to agree to disagree.
ps - i was once on a ship at sea when i was a very young laddy, it was okies dokies, but me own experience was probably very different from yer own if ye were on a military vessel, i'd reckon.
Occupy Oakland: footage shows police beating 'peaceful' Iraq war veteran
Oakland police investigating after ex-marine Kayvan Sabehgi suffered a ruptured spleen in apparently unprovoked incidentThe video shows Kayvan Sabehgi being hit numerous times by an officer clad in riot gear Link to this video
Video footage has emerged of a police officer beating an Iraq war veteran so hard that he suffered a ruptured spleen in an apparently unprovoked incident at a recent Occupy protest in California.
The footage, which has been shared with the Guardian, shows Kayvan Sabehgi standing in front of a police line on the night of Occupy Oakland's general strike on 2 November, when he is set upon by an officer.
He does not appear to be posing any threat, nor does he attempt to resist, yet he is hit numerous times by an officer clad in riot gear who appears determined to beat him to the ground.
Sabehgi, 32, an Oakland resident and former marine who served in Iraq and Afghanistan, has since undergone surgery on his spleen. He says it took hours for him to be taken to hospital, despite complaining of severe pain. Police have told the Guardian they are investigating the incident.
The footage was recorded by artist and photographer Neil Rivas, who said Sabehgi was "completely peaceful" before he was beaten. "It was uncalled for," said Rivas. "There were no curse words. He was telling them he was a war vet, a resident of Oakland, a business owner."
Sabehgi has previously said he was talking to officers in a non-violent manner prior to his arrest, which the footage appears to confirm.
The 32-year-old can be seen standing in front of a line of police officers, all of whom are in riot gear. The officers walk forward, chanting and thrusting their batons, and Sabehgi starts to walk backwards.
Although the video is dark, an officer can clearly be seen beginning to hit Sabehgi around the legs with a baton, then starting to strike him higher up.
Sabehgi then appears to be bundled to the ground. He was later arrested.
These are utterly deplorable incidents which should never occur in a free and open society, much less the US.
Last edited by Formaldehyde; 11-20-2011 at 12:58 PM.
2. These vets were putting their lives on the line in Iraq and/or Afghanistan, not in an unlawfull demostration. I am sorry they were hurt, but they should not have been there.
Merely because a demonstration is "unlawful" does it mean that the police can act like storm troopers. That is patently absurd and shows a complete and total disregard for the law and justice. It seems that many "law and order" types have no concept whatsoever of disproportionate response. Such acts as those I posted above and the UC Davis incident are nothing but thuggery and have no place in any modern society.