Thread: The Tea Party Explained - I

Originally Posted by tsquare

I have no real idea how you come to that conclusion. It flies in the face of all facts.

Let us face the real world for just a moment: there are two groups of people out there... those that follow things closely and those that do not.

Of those that do follow things, they know that the GOP controlled House has passed bill after bill (including the one with the payroll tax cut extension) only to see them all die for a lack of even a vote in the Senate. We also know that while the House bill might not have passed the Senate as it was, that normal legislative procedure would have the House pass a bill and the Senate pass a bill and then a compromise would be worked out in conference committee.

The Democratic controlled Senate has refused to do so. Refused...

Anyone that follows these things knows this.

As for everyone else... nobody is going to much care until their net pay goes down... if they even notice then. They too will not know or care much about the election until September... so all this is lost on them.

Based on your responses to everything, it's clear you only follow right-wing propaganda because you never show much of an interest in "following things".

Following things means you're actually informed as a person because you're seeing things from all the angles you can get.

You don't do any of that.

Yes, Republicans passed bill after bill.

Poisoned with pet projects, pork, and totally unreasonable demands such as the half dozen abortion bills and other religious bullshit tacked onto other bills that have nothing to do with that stuff.

The Republicans put together a bill that was going to save the country less money over 10 years than the Democratic bill that the President sponsored. The liberals actually showed up with the more conservative plan.

The Republicans were elected on a wave of anti-Washington sentiment, same as how the President came in.

And guess what? By all the polls, the facts tell us that the American people are feeling as anti-Washington as ever but have warm feelings for a President they feel is trying to get things done.

As quickly as the teabaggers conned their way into office on the promise of jobs, they can be removed. They still haven't passed one jobs bill yet and they continue to stand in the way of having any of their 1% buddies taxed a little higher, which is something the entire world is watching up close, something that two-thirds of registered Republicans are for!!

Also doesn't help when your leader is a big frickin' cry baby like Boehner. You know that guy is going to cost his party votes with his miserable, ineffectual leadership.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

If we are going to solve our problems, why don't we start with the TRUTH? Liberals can handle it, and all of America should be able to. But the right in this country needs to believe dogma, lies and misinformation.

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So where is the "TRUTH" . There is a spot on MSNBC where Rachael Maddow in some bullshit talking head promo-piece about progressive only want the 1% to pay their fair share. When I see it I'm left to wonder "so, Ms. Media fraud, when oh when did you give the government 90% of your salary in the name of fairness?" For some strange reason the left doesn't call the talking heads on MSNBC out for their distortions and "truth".

Jason, Boehner's approval stands at -2. The President's is at -4. And Intrade sees a 75% chance of Republicans controlling the House and the Senate after the election. They are less likely to win the Presidency, 50-50 chance.

BTW, what was this bill the Democrats sponsored that would save more money than the Republican bill? The Republicans actually passed a bill that would reduce the deficit by $4 trillion over 10 years according to the CBO. The Democrats have neither proposed nor passed any such bills. They've SAID they have a plan that would reduce the deficit by more, but they won't let the Republicans or the media see it.

Originally Posted by adaher

You act as if the left doesn't believe a lot of stupid things as well. Plus, liberals have a nasty tendency to call differences of opinion "lies" and "stupidity" even when the subject is quite debateable, as most of your list is.

The national debate has been going on for decades, and the left is losing on their core issues. Since I believe that we are a people capable of self-government, that tells me that the left is wrong in their core arguments, while being right on a lot of things that are lower priority for them(like gay rights).

Then let's debate them, and I will expose your ignorance...pick one...

The national debate is being lost by liberals, but it has nothing to do with truth. It has to do with 'language'. Conservative rhetors have been diligently working at owning words and language to use as a weapon against the people. The right does not care about truth, they only care about winning, and doing what conservatives have always done since man began walking upright...create some form of an aristocracy.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Then let's debate them, and I will expose your ignorance...pick one...

The national debate is being lost by liberals, but it has nothing to do with truth. It has to do with 'language'. Conservative rhetors have been diligently working at onwning words and language to use as a weapon against the people. The right does not care about truth, they only care about winning, and doing what conservatives have always done since man began walking upright...create some form of an aristocracy.

Do you listen to yourself at all? You sound exactly like the people you criticize. Why are YOU right?

Originally Posted by jviehe

Do you listen to yourself at all? You sound exactly like the people you criticize. Why are YOU right?

It's not about me being right, it is about what the TRUTH really is. Truth is not an opinion or spin.

What topic do you need schooling on? Death panels?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

It's not about me being right, it is about what the TRUTH really is. Truth is not an opinion or spin.

What topic do you need schooling on? Death panels?

What makes truth true?

Originally Posted by jviehe

What makes truth true?

Reality vs. propaganda. Let's take 'death panels' because it is such a blatant LIE. Matter of fact it was the LIE of the year.

If the party that created Medicare suddenly decided to start 'offing' people's grandmas, I would be first in line to oppose them. But is so ludicrous that it deserves ridicule. Yet I had to argue and rebuke thousands of right wing parrots who swallow every piece of propaganda the teapublicans spew and mindlessly chirp it.

A cynic is a man who knows the price of everything but the value of nothing.
Oscar Wilde

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

So where is the "TRUTH" . There is a spot on MSNBC where Rachael Maddow in some bullshit talking head promo-piece about progressive only want the 1% to pay their fair share. When I see it I'm left to wonder "so, Ms. Media fraud, when oh when did you give the government 90% of your salary in the name of fairness?" For some strange reason the left doesn't call the talking heads on MSNBC out for their distortions and "truth".

So, where is the "truth" in that statement? "Media fraud"? "Give the government 90% of your salary"?

So let's see some actual distortions of the "truth" from Rachel Maddow comparable to what is shown on Fox News every single day instead of fabricated nonsense?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

It's not about me being right, it is about what the TRUTH really is. Truth is not an opinion or spin.

What topic do you need schooling on? Death panels?

LOL

Dude, just last week you were trying to spin the hell out of the ego-control/ego-resiliency issue.

I provided citations to four or five acedemic research papers you could have read - IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN TRUTH - but you just blew them off and declared that you were "right" simply because I wouldn't do your research for you.

You remember that? When you were citing "formal rules of debate" to me here on a public discussion form (as opposed to on our "official debate-by-the-rules forum)?

You're no more interested in truth or honesty than the next ideologue.

Anyhow...

Clinton sold this country to the corporations, then Bush sold this country to the corporations, now President Obama is selling this country to the corporations.

NOTHING is going to change.

We reelect Presidetn Obama and he continues selling the country up the river.

We elect a Tea/Koch Party politician and we get sold up the river.

We elect a more "traditional" Republican, we'll get sold up the river.

It's almost comical listening to you all twitter about this like partican Canaries.

"My guy is great, your guy sucks!"

"No, my guy is great and your guy sucks!"

"Well at least my guy isn't a liar!"

"Bwahahaha. Your guy does nothing but lie!"

Comical.

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Reality vs. propaganda

How does make truth true?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Reality vs. propaganda. Let's take 'death panels' because it is such a blatant LIE. Matter of fact it was the LIE of the year.

If the party that created Medicare suddenly decided to start 'offing' people's grandmas, I would be first in line to oppose them. But is so ludicrous that it deserves ridicule. Yet I had to argue and rebuke thousands of right wing parrots who swallow every piece of propaganda the teapublicans spew and mindlessly chirp it.

This is exactly what I'm talking about. Sarah Palin said what she said inartfully, but she was right. National health care systems make life and death decisions. They decide what drugs and treatments will be covered, and up to what age. Heck, the NHS actually has death panels now. Google "Liverpool Death Pathway".

Originally Posted by soot

LOL

Dude, just last week you were trying to spin the hell out of the ego-control/ego-resiliency issue.

I provided citations to four or five acedemic research papers you could have read - IF YOU WERE INTERESTED IN TRUTH - but you just blew them off and declared that you were "right" simply because I wouldn't do your research for you.

You remember that? When you were citing "formal rules of debate" to me here on a public discussion form (as opposed to on our "official debate-by-the-rules forum)?

You're no more interested in truth or honesty than the next ideologue.

Anyhow...

Clinton sold this country to the corporations, then Bush sold this country to the corporations, now President Obama is selling this country to the corporations.

NOTHING is going to change.

We reelect Presidetn Obama and he continues selling the country up the river.

We elect a Tea/Koch Party politician and we get sold up the river.

We elect a more "traditional" Republican, we'll get sold up the river.

It's almost comical listening to you all twitter about this like partican Canaries.

"My guy is great, your guy sucks!"

"No, my guy is great and your guy sucks!"

"Well at least my guy isn't a liar!"

"Bwahahaha. Your guy does nothing but lie!"

Comical.

You are having trouble with the truth. As I explained on that thread, you brought up a DIFFERENT study. The Blocks did more than one study. So either you are being disingenuous or obtuse, which is it?

I am not enthused with Obama and the Democrats, but they are 100 times better than the regressive teapublicans. Especially in regards to corporations. Please tell me WHY the teapublicans are against the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau? WHY are they authoring 'jobs' bills that are designed to castrate the EPA?

You really need to educate yourself if you want to debate me. So far you are an epic fail.