Thread: OWS Violence in Oakland

Wow, what way to step on the message. The left had seamlessly shifted back to blaming the Tea Party for political violence in this country and then OWS goes and shows how it's really done.

Originally Posted by darth omar

The way this will be spun by the left and their sundry media lap dogs will be to claim that it was a splinter group that caused the damage and engaged in violence---rather than OWS itself---a movement that is comprised of the purest of political spirits. And this is all well and good. Except that a few of us are still around who recall what lengths some observers went in trying to associate the Tea Party with racism---based on the flimsiest of evidence.

But there are no racists in the Tea Party---they are just a splinter group.

The flimsiest of evidence? Like the very first nation tea party convention kicked off with a hate filled xenophobic speech/rant that called for a new Jim Crow era? REALLY darth?

Well, that's a pretty radical view of that speech. But however hateful you may think it was, it didn't call for violence in any way. And it should be noted that the organizers of the event, who charged more for entry than the vast majority of Tea Partiers could afford, weren't exactly universally supported among the Tea Party movement. I daresay that Noam Chomsky, an infamous hater himself, would be more welcome among OWSers than Tancredo is among Tea Partiers.

Originally Posted by adaher

Well, that's a pretty radical view of that speech. But however hateful you may think it was, it didn't call for violence in any way. And it should be noted that the organizers of the event, who charged more for entry than the vast majority of Tea Partiers could afford, weren't exactly universally supported among the Tea Party movement. I daresay that Noam Chomsky, an infamous hater himself, would be more welcome among OWSers than Tancredo is among Tea Partiers.

A radical view? To a speech that can not be viewed as anything but radical?

The Tea Party: Same Old Authoritarian Conservatives With a New Label
by John Dean

For purposes of illustration, he highlighted a dozen conspicuous authoritarian traits in the Tea Party:

(1) they are more submissive than most to their leaders, and they take direction without question;

(2) they are easily frightened and their leaders keep them that way;

(3) they wear their self-righteousness on their sleeves, e.g., with their assertion that they are “the true Americans;”

(4) they are highly aggressive, so they lash out at those with whom they do not agree;

(5) critical thinking and logic escapes them, and they rely upon simplistic slogans to answer complex questions;

(6) they inflate problems, and they find an endless supply of our “biggest problems”;

(7) they hold conflicting and contradictory beliefs, which does not trouble them, because their thinking is compartmentalized;

(8) double standards are totally acceptable to them, so they can be highly critical of others who do exactly what they do, or have done;

(9) they feel empowered when in groups, and gain strength by remaining together with like-minded others;

(10) they are highly dogmatic, since they do not know why they believe what they do, and they do not question themselves;

(11) they are ethnocentric and constantly judge others and events from an “us versus them” point of view; and

(12) they are prejudiced, and often racist, although some do not realize it or believe it when confronted.

Some controversial remarks from a speaker at a paid event by Tea Part carpet baggers over a year ago doesn't seem likkely to have incited violence by protestors or police in Oakland this past Saturday.

Originally Posted by JDJarvis

Some controversial remarks from a speaker at a paid event by Tea Part carpet baggers over a year ago doesn't seem likkely to have incited violence by protestors or police in Oakland this past Saturday.

Well, that speaker at the very first national tea party convention received wild cheers from the tea partiers. His hate drew CHEERS. And as we have witnessed at more than one GOP debate, that 'let them die' hate is the core of today's tea party conservatives. It is ironic that the same social Darwinism was rampant in Stalinism.

Folks, this thread is not about the Tea Party. Please cease the off-topic posts. If you wish to discuss violence at Tea Party events, kindly do so in an appropriate thread.

Originally Posted by MattInFla

Folks, this thread is not about the Tea Party. Please cease the off-topic posts. If you wish to discuss violence at Tea Party events, kindly do so in an appropriate thread.

So Matt, a poster is not allowed to reply to a statement made about the tea party?

Originally Posted by darth omar

The way this will be spun by the left and their sundry media lap dogs will be to claim that it was a splinter group that caused the damage and engaged in violence---rather than OWS itself---a movement that is comprised of the purest of political spirits. And this is all well and good. Except that a few of us are still around who recall what lengths some observers went in trying to associate the Tea Party with racism---based on the flimsiest of evidence.

But there are no racists in the Tea Party---they are just a splinter group.

Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power.
Abraham Lincoln

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

So Matt, a poster is not allowed to reply to a statement made about the tea party?

The last several posts have been about the Tea Party. The thread - as indicated by the title - is not about the Tea Party.

Feel free to take the Tea Party discussion to a different thread.

Matt

Originally Posted by MattInFla

The last several posts have been about the Tea Party. The thread - as indicated by the title - is not about the Tea Party.

Feel free to take the Tea Party discussion to a different thread.

Matt

Then please tell omar not to mention the tea party

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Well, that speaker at the very first national tea party convention received wild cheers from the tea partiers. His hate drew CHEERS. And as we have witnessed at more than one GOP debate, that 'let them die' hate is the core of today's tea party conservatives. It is ironic that the same social Darwinism was rampant in Stalinism.

His "hate" was not all that extreme. Implying that Obama was from Kenya is irritating because I'm sick of the birther stuff, but it's not hate unless you are implying that there's something wrong with being from Kenya.

Originally Posted by adaher

His "hate" was not all that extreme. Implying that Obama was from Kenya is irritating because I'm sick of the birther stuff, but it's not hate unless you are implying that there's something wrong with being from Kenya.

WHAT? Is that all Tancredo said?

Originally Posted by Bfgrn

Then please tell omar not to mention the tea party

I just told everyone to return to the topic. It wasn't exclusively for any one poster....