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    NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Feds Target Harborside Health Center — California’s Largest, Most Prominent Medical Cannabis Dispensary

    Many of California’s most prominent and well-respected medical cannabis dispensaries and related facilities — including Oaksterdam University, Berkeley Patients Group, and Harborside Health Center (HHC) — flourished under the George W. Bush administration. But they’ll be lucky to survive President Barack Obama’s first term.
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    It's always kind of amusing when reality begins to hit home and it will be even more funny should pot be legalized and all of a sudden we begin to see the effects of a federal excise tax on it and the regulations on growing.

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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    I do no think that the President nor the AG can really prevent the DEA from enforcing the marijuana laws. Under Bush, these dispensaries were just starting out. No one really started to take notice until there were more dispensaries than Starbucks in the state of California. Now that many other states are in the throws of legalizing medical marijuana and decriminalizing recreational marijuana, the DEA has the authority to enforce the law. There is only one thing the President can do to really offset this and that would be to grant blanket Presidential pardons to all Americans busted for possession/sale of marijuana effectively neutering any case the DEA could bring against dispensaries.

    Pot laws are stupid and they are not based on anything other than hate and intolerance which is why I wipe my ass with those laws every time I spark another joint. I can honestly say that if the police searched every house in my neighborhood for pot, it would be a ghost town the next day because they would all be at the police station wasting your tax dollars getting processed only to be released and go buy more pot to replace what was taken from them.

    Legalize pot and we have hundreds of billions in tax revenue, save tax payers billions on enforcing a law that no American respects and a reduction in crime rates.

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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomBlaze View Post
    I do no think that the President nor the AG can really prevent the DEA from enforcing the marijuana laws. Under Bush, these dispensaries were just starting out. No one really started to take notice until there were more dispensaries than Starbucks in the state of California. Now that many other states are in the throws of legalizing medical marijuana and decriminalizing recreational marijuana, the DEA has the authority to enforce the law. There is only one thing the President can do to really offset this and that would be to grant blanket Presidential pardons to all Americans busted for possession/sale of marijuana effectively neutering any case the DEA could bring against dispensaries.

    Pot laws are stupid and they are not based on anything other than hate and intolerance which is why I wipe my ass with those laws every time I spark another joint. I can honestly say that if the police searched every house in my neighborhood for pot, it would be a ghost town the next day because they would all be at the police station wasting your tax dollars getting processed only to be released and go buy more pot to replace what was taken from them.

    Legalize pot and we have hundreds of billions in tax revenue, save tax payers billions on enforcing a law that no American respects and a reduction in crime rates.
    Oh the irony...

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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Yep, Obama is going after private enterprise again! The DEA is going after businesses that sell an american grown product, and some of the best in the world, while hundreds of tons steam across the border with mexico, the lower grade mexican mafia weed. This weed helps to keep the cartel so powerful.

    There is no political will to legalize it federally, and I think it will be another 25 years before we come to our senses. If then. The police departments and the state coiffers would go broke without what illegal drugs bring in, in income. Powerful interests groups do not want it legalized.
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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by Blue Doggy View Post
    Yep, Obama is going after private enterprise again! The DEA is going after businesses that sell an american grown product, and some of the best in the world, while hundreds of tons steam across the border with mexico, the lower grade mexican mafia weed. This weed helps to keep the cartel so powerful.

    There is no political will to legalize it federally, and I think it will be another 25 years before we come to our senses. If then. The police departments and the state coiffers would go broke without what illegal drugs bring in, in income. Powerful interests groups do not want it legalized.
    Actually, towns are losing money on enforcing marijuana laws. I know it costs my town about 50k to process a simple marijuana possession case. They get back about 1500-5k in fines. Add to that the fact that, in NJ at least, mandatory license suspension (even if no motor vehicle was involved in the arrest) which generally causes the "perp" to lose his or her job which causes the state to lose out on tax revenue. Adding more to that the fact that many people lack the funds to pay the fines and end up in jail as a result costing even more to the tax payer.

    Most cops will tell you that they HATE dealing with pot possession mainly because they find it everywhere and it clogs up the system and drains municipalities of much needed revenue. Most cops I know have told me they they advocate decriminalizing so that if you are caught, the cops just takes it away and issues a 100 citation. They feel that this would actually add money to the town coffers and greatly alleviate the stress on the judicial system.

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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Say what you will but Obama's got two daughters and I don't think he wants to be known as the Cannabis Sativa president.
    Especially if he isn't going to be the president who resuscitated the economy .
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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by USCitizen View Post
    Say what you will but Obama's got two daughters and I don't think he wants to be known as the Cannabis Sativa president.
    Especially if he isn't going to be the president who resuscitated the economy .
    See bold. Ironically, if he legalized and regulated it across the board.....he would make great strides in doing that.

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    Re: NORML supports Bush over Obama?

    Quote Originally Posted by TomBlaze View Post
    I do no think that the President nor the AG can really prevent the DEA from enforcing the marijuana laws. Under Bush, these dispensaries were just starting out. No one really started to take notice until there were more dispensaries than Starbucks in the state of California. Now that many other states are in the throws of legalizing medical marijuana and decriminalizing recreational marijuana, the DEA has the authority to enforce the law. There is only one thing the President can do to really offset this and that would be to grant blanket Presidential pardons to all Americans busted for possession/sale of marijuana effectively neutering any case the DEA could bring against dispensaries.

    Pot laws are stupid and they are not based on anything other than hate and intolerance which is why I wipe my ass with those laws every time I spark another joint. I can honestly say that if the police searched every house in my neighborhood for pot, it would be a ghost town the next day because they would all be at the police station wasting your tax dollars getting processed only to be released and go buy more pot to replace what was taken from them.

    Legalize pot and we have hundreds of billions in tax revenue, save tax payers billions on enforcing a law that no American respects and a reduction in crime rates.
    DEA is part of the Executive Branch. The President can issue an executive order that is binding on those in the Executive branch. Obama has done this in the case of illegal immigrants. He can issue an order, ordering them not to enforce specific laws. He is violating his Constitutional Oath of Office by doing so but he has demonstrated that that doesn't mean too much to him anyway.

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