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Old 11-05-2007
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Rody was lucky only to get a boo. Rumsfeld had to flee from an arrest.
France, after all, is still a leading liberty.

Quote, "Rumsfeld flees France fearing arrest
Sat, 10/27/2007 - 08:45

Former US Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld fled France today fearing arrest over charges of "ordering and authorizing" torture of detainees at both the American-run Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq and the US military's detainment facility at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, unconfirmed reports coming from Paris suggest.

US embassy officials whisked Rumsfeld away yesterday from a breakfast meeting in Paris organized by the Foreign Policy magazine after human rights groups filed a criminal complaint against the man who spearheaded President George W. Bush's "war on terror" for six years.

Under international law, authorities in France are obliged to open an investigation when a complaint is made while the alleged torturer is on French soil.

According to activists in France, who greeted Rumsfeld shouting "murderer" and "war criminal" at the breakfast meeting venue, US embassy officials remained tight-lipped about the former defense secretary's whereabouts citing "security reasons".

Anti-torture protesters in France believe that the defense secretary fled over the open border to Germany, where a war crimes case against Rumsfeld was dismissed by a federal court. But activist point out that under the Schengen agreement that ended border checkpoints across a large part of the European Union, French law enforcement agents are allowed to cross the border into Germany in pursuit of a fleeing fugitive.

"Rumsfeld must be feeling how Saddam Hussein felt when US forces were hunting him down," activist Tanguy Richard said. "He may never end up being hanged like his old friend, but he must learn that in the civilized world, war crime doesn't pay."

International Federation for Human Rights (FIDH) along with the Center for Constitutional Rights (CCR), the European Center for Constitutional and Human Rights (ECCHR), and the French League for Human Rights (LDH) filed the complaint on Thursday after learning that Rumsfeld was scheduled to visit Paris."

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Old 11-15-2007
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

How convenient to demonize a dissenter

"War on terror" created to squeeze money and power from people. "Terrorist" also used to demonize dissenters. How much evil committed by this government in the name of "war on terror"?

Quote, "Media Infers Ron Paul Is A Terrorist

November 5th "Money Bomb" gimmick heavily played up by terrified establishment and goblin neocon bloggers

Steve Watson
Infowars.net </index.html>
Tuesday, Nov 5, 2007

Having been forced to report on Ron Paul's record breaking donation drive yesterday, mainstream outlets seized the opportunity to emphasize the Guy Fawkes gimmick, that was used by grassroots organizers to draw attention to Paul's campaign, as a way of tacitly suggesting that the Congressman's message of freedom and limited government is synonymous with terrorism and anarchy.

A grassroots campaign unaffiliated with the official Paul campaign was the catalyst for a huge $4.2 million cash infusion yesterday, putting the campaign well on course to raise $12 million by the end of the quarter and bringing Paul close to being the top fundraiser among the Republican candidates.

The Following headlines, however, chose not to lead with this information and instead to firstly draw attention to the November 5th theme:
Ron Paul Raises $3.68 Million on Guy Fawkes Day - NY Times
Financial Fireworks for Texas Republican Presidential Candidate - Wired
A penny for the guy, a hundred bucks for Ron Paul - CNet

Media Infers Ron Paul Is A Terrorist
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Old 11-25-2007
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Quote, "9/11 Firefighters and Family Members Plot Anti-Giuliani Ad Campaign
By TAHMAN BRADLEY

Nov. 17, 2007 -

A group of 9/11 firefighters and victims' family members with eyes on derailing Republican Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign is close to a decision on forming an entity that would run issue ads in key early nominating states."
<http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3881195&page=1>

911 attack was an inside job used to justify the passing through of Patriot Act and Mid-east war. Media played an important role in propaganda and cover up. So a "heroic Giuliani" trumpeted by media is as fake as the "911 attack". Those who live in New York and fought at the ground zero know much better than others that Giuliani isn't a hero.

Judy Giuliani did a good job to cover up the 911 truth. The Inside Group needs a loyal man to continue the cover up job and for more war in Mid-east. That's why he is picked up to be the front runner for next President.
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Old 11-25-2007
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I think the PCIG should consider at-will unemployment compensation in states that have at-will employment laws.

It isn't like they would not still be making money with more people consuming and adding to local tax rolls.

They might even be able to make money more quickly (due to the increase in the velocity of the monetary base) without the need to engage in unpatriotic and immoral and unethical behavior.
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Old 11-25-2007
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

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Quote, "9/11 Firefighters and Family Members Plot Anti-Giuliani Ad Campaign
By TAHMAN BRADLEY

Nov. 17, 2007 -

A group of 9/11 firefighters and victims' family members with eyes on derailing Republican Rudy Giuliani's presidential campaign is close to a decision on forming an entity that would run issue ads in key early nominating states."
<http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/story?id=3881195&page=1>

911 attack was an inside job used to justify the passing through of Patriot Act and Mid-east war. Media played an important role in propaganda and cover up. So a "heroic Giuliani" trumpeted by media is as fake as the "911 attack". Those who live in New York and fought at the ground zero know much better than others that Giuliani isn't a hero.

Judy Giuliani did a good job to cover up the 911 truth. The Inside Group needs a loyal man to continue the cover up job and for more war in Mid-east. That's why he is picked up to be the front runner for next President.
Rudi Giuliani is a criminal. He should not be running for President, but should be brought up on charges for his role and cover-up of the true perpatrators of 9/11.
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Old 12-05-2007
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How ruling class control your mind by fake poll.

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Republican Presidential Nomination
Polling Data
RCP Average 11/01 - 11/14

Giuliani 29.1%
Thompson 15.5%
McCain 13.8%
Romney 12.5%
Huckabee 8.9%
Paul 4.7%
The vivid sample how Feds manipulate media to cheat public. When they can still put Paul at 4.7% in a fake poll.

The Feds could create a false flag attack such like 911. That's how they could rig a election to select their puppet Bush as president.

Media propaganda covers up 911 plot and led US into unjust war. It also justify a rigged election by fake poll. That's how Bush could be president for twice.

This poll is a vivid sample of how media direct public's mind with pre-concept psychological operation. Because they won't allow an anti-war candidate to win a campaign.

They can manipulate a randon number of 4.7% on Ron Paul but they can't manipulate the money amount. Ron Paul got most donation from military contributions

Quote, "Ron Paul leads ALL presidential candidates in monetary military contributions

Percentages**:

49.5% Ron Paul
34.6% McCain
7.0% Romney
4.6% Giuliani
2.0% Hunter
2.3% Others

Ron Paul leads ALL ‘08 candidates with over one-fourth of military contributions for Q2 » The Truth @ The Spin Factor.

In addition to military support, Ron Paul also sets one-day GOP fundraising record. He hauled in more than 4.2 million on 11/5. That money came from grassroot voters, how many votes does it mean? Yet, the media always put him at the lowest poll number. Do you recognize how this country is manipulated?

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This is a covert totalitarian country. They select president by rigged election. (They control the voting office by intelligence) and justify the result by fake poll. (They manipulate public opinion by media)
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Kathaskung is a Ron Paul fan.

I'm shocked.
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Old 12-05-2007
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It looks like a democratic system. It's not. The two parties are all...
"Democrats want Amnesty, Republicans want guest-worker."

"Both party's are the same, its a conspiracy." I'm not going to argue against this anymore since there is a grain of truth in it.

Its either Duncan Hunter or bust for me. I'll go with the Constitution Party. The Republican Party has strayed from its original mission of protectionism and anti-slavery (anti cheap labor).

I have accepted the idea of a free trade zone between the US and other 1st world countries, but the anarcho-capitalists have pushed me too far. Their goal isn't efficiency or the general welfare of the American people, their agenda is filling up their own pockets on the backs of cheap foreign labor at the cost of good paying American jobs.
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Old 12-15-2007
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When the poll result is not to the favor of the host and they can't cover it up by a fake one, they simply cancel it. That's why Official poll used to put Ron Paul at the lowest. TV news used to focus on Rody and Romney but neglect Paul.

Quote, "SF Republican Establishment vs. Ron Paul

Posted by Lew Rockwell at December 5, 2007 08:21 AM

An on-scene report from Jerry Cullen: "The San Francisco Republican Alliance headed by Gail Neira held their pre election banquet at the Holiday Inn at Fisherman’s Wharf in San Francisco last evening, December 4th, 2007. The gathering was advertised as a gala affair of loyal Republicans to be followed by a straw poll to select the favorite Presidential Candidate. The featured speaker was Republican State Senator Sam Aanesta (CA 4th SD). The Senator treated the audience to an hour long election pitch for Fred Thompson that cured the insomnia of all in attendance. After endless delays of meaningless trivia the doors were opened to the late comers to the straw poll each of whom had paid $5 for admission. The flood of Ron Paul supporters entered the room to join an already substantial number of Ron Paul supporters that had attended the 'banquet'.

"A shocked Gail Neira in consultation with the Fred Thompson Northern CA Coordinator cancelled the straw poll vote offering a series of fraudulent, incomprehensible and incoherent reasons. The result was chaos as more than one hundred Ron Paul supporters objected to the outright deception. Neira’s ratings reached a level of unreality beyond description. Security was called to evict the peaceful if upset Ron Paul followers. When I asked that a picture be taken to attest to security attacking the 79-year-old man, security turned and disappeared.

"The San Francisco Republican Party has not seen energy and enthusiasm like that displayed by the Ron Paul supporters in many years, if ever. Yet instead of opening their arms to this wonderful opportunity to rebuild a failed organization with an army of young, vibrant and intelligent supporters. the San Francisco Republican Party pretends that all is well. Their attitude can best be exemplified by the passive presence of a Vice Chair of the SF Republican Party Central Committee who witnessed the entire event at the Holiday Inn in silence. Amazing!

"It is clear that Ron Paul’s message has achieved momentum and attracted substantial funds. Message, Money and Momentum are a powerful political force. The Ron Paul revolution is alive and well. No wonder that the opposition will resort to disgraceful tactics to stop the express."

YouTube - SF Straw Poll Cancelled
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Old 12-15-2007
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

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"Democrats want Amnesty, Republicans want guest-worker."

"Both party's are the same, its a conspiracy." I'm not going to argue against this anymore since there is a grain of truth in it.

Its either Duncan Hunter or bust for me. I'll go with the Constitution Party. The Republican Party has strayed from its original mission of protectionism and anti-slavery (anti cheap labor).

I have accepted the idea of a free trade zone between the US and other 1st world countries, but the anarcho-capitalists have pushed me too far. Their goal isn't efficiency or the general welfare of the American people, their agenda is filling up their own pockets on the backs of cheap foreign labor at the cost of good paying American jobs.
Amnesty doesn't work or we would not have an illegal problem now.

A market friendly work visa program could reduce public and private sector costs, and ameliorate the effects of frictional unemployment for US labor market participants.

Public sector costs can be defrayed from revenue generated from a hypothetical and market friendly work visa user fee.

Private sector costs can be reduced to the extent there is more efficiency in the market for labor.

If included, forms of insurance, components could also help reduce costs to the private sector and the public sector; and help defray some of the costs of unemployment insurance to both the legal fiction of an individual and a real individual labor market participant.
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Old 12-25-2007
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

Mainstream media (12/19/07)

Mainstream media, is a mind control tool works for the ruling class. They report news favored by ruling class and censor the news they disliked. Thus pour the unilateral information into your brain.

I read San Jose Mercury News Because it is the only "mainstream News" in the area. I have no choice. It reports a lot of news about Rody, Bush, Romney but rarely about Ron Paul. What I got about Ron Paul was a poll of GOP's candidates which put him at the lowest position - 4.7%. (in November)

Thanks to Internet, where I learned Ron Paul is a popular candidate. Different from other GOP nominates, he is anti-war and call for "take back America" by re-taking citizen's Constitutional right. This is accordance with the public opinion. Even media admits that most Americans are anti-war and disagree with Bush's policy. It may reflict at the fact that Ron Paul got the most campaign fund from military contribution and sets one-day GOP fundraising record. By common sense, he should be a leading candidate in GOP. Yet, he remains as the lowest in mainstream media. There is little words about Paul's opinion. If depends on Mercury News, I would know nothing about Paul except that "he is the most unpopular candidate in GOP."

On 12/4, San Francisco Republican held a straw poll meeting in Holiday Inn. Out of their expectation, a lot of supporters of Ron Paul attended the meeting. Obviously that was not the result the host wished to see. They canceled the vote. Of course the media kept silence on the news of aborted straw poll meeting.

On 12/11, Mercury News reported Giuliani had a campaign dinner on 12/10 in San Francisco. In an article extended to two pages, the paper reported Rudy's political opinion with the title "Giuliani tells S.F. supporters he's the Republican who can win state."

This is how the ruling class manipulate this country. They censor the information of real popular candidates and poured the news into your mind which they want you to know. They fake the poll to justify a rigged election. That's how Bush could be selected twice as president and guided US to unjust war.
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Old 12-26-2007
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How much of that is due to a lack of interest on the part of the electorate?

Many people haven't even read the Constitution, and it is a relatively short document.

Every candidate has an opportunity to get a message to the electorate, even if only in the form of a post card that gives a summary of their position and platform.

The 1st time Bush, the younger, was elected was also the first time I voted democrat. It was based mostly on foreign policy statements by the candidates themselves. I am of the opinion, that if Gore had won, we would still be running massive surplusses, or have something tangible to show for it if we no longer had them. We would also, probably, not be in Iraq.

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Old 01-05-2008
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Iowa primary proves we need an honest and clear election system (1/4/08)

Over 96% of Iowans are whites. But they choose an African American. Why? That means most Americans hates Iraq war and want their civil liberty back.
Edwards and Hillary, though both are whites and experienced Deomcrats, they behaved more like a Bush's follower. Both voted for Patriot Act and approved the Iraq war Authorization Bill.

How could we got this result? Because the Iowa Demo primary counts vote on attending people. It makes the election honest and clear and hard to be rigged.

Why Ron Paul only got 10%? (He is the only one in GOP that anti Iraq war) Because the Iowa GOP primary counts vote on ballots. Then who controls election office controls election. They give you a number nobody can confirm. That's how Bush could be selected twice.

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dude, they voted for whom they saw as the best person, and who's message they bought....sooo, if 200.000 Iowans want him, then we should all want him? And if this is not carried forward by his nomination its all rigged? And Edwards behaved as Bushs follower..wtf were you listening too? His stance is even more radical then Obamas re: the war. And Edwards has n’t been in the senate for 3 years..so he may have voted for the original pat. Act but not the latest as he wasn’t there.

But if we go to a national election and if obama where to run and lose thats presumtive evidecne of a rigged election?
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Old 01-11-2008
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Re: See US politics From another angle .

What is your opinion of why the Peoples' Committee of the Inside Group (PCIG) allowed Bill Clinton to be elected?

Were there several factions and issues going on at the time? Was it simply an experiment in larger government and they allowed for massive surpluses?

What do you think of the notion that it may have been to determine if the government or the private sector can best provide for the general welfare?

I am of the personal opinion, that giving the rich their money back was a waste of time. Where is the next dot com boom if they are so good with their money?

At least the public sector was able to rung massive surpluses, and could have ended welfare, as we currently know it, while implementing more infrastructure development that can keep many good paying jobs from being exported overseas.
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