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View Poll Results: Would mandatory voting reduce partisan politics?
Yes! Where do I sign the petition? 1 3.33%
Maybe. The idea merits further study. 3 10.00%
Undecided/Don't know 1 3.33%
I doubt it. 11 36.67%
No! What are you, some kind of facist? 14 46.67%
Voters: 30. You may not vote on this poll

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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

I don't believe you have to be a fascist to support mandatory voting (I do understand this was not fully serious), but I think mandatory voting is a bad idea. As some people have already written, if you vote, you should first educate yourself. It is better if those who are not interested in educating themselves don't cast votes. I respect an educated political opponent much more than an uneducated voter for my own party.

If anything, I would rather see a decrease in voters through a form of mandatory education or test of knowledge for everyone who wants to vote. However, since I am pretty sure such a system could very easily be tampered with to exclude people with the "wrong" ideas to vote, I am not in favour of it either.
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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

Forcing people to vote is an extremely bad idea.. Too many do not pay attention to what is going on in the country, & or could care less.

So these forced voters would just end up canceling out anothers vote, who actually studied the ballot, knows the candidates & the issues.

People who do not study the issues & candidates should not vote.
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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

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True. Not to mention that it isn't fair to pick among two smucks if you really have serious issues with both of them. I vote but I can understand that argument.
We could try the alternative I believe Russia used, giving the opportunity to vote "none of the above" and forcing the parties to come up with new candidates! (if there were enough such "none of the above" votes).

I don't think "mandatory voting" is a good idea, in a free country one should be free NOT to vote if one chooses. As to the "education" issue, I doubt that the non-voters are any less educated than the voters are - perhaps they are more educated and realize either candidate will do exactly the same things, no matter what they promise. Besides, some studies have shown most people support candidates and issues based on emotion, not reason.

Voter participation might be increased through an incentive, like making election day a paid holiday, but paid only if one produces a receipt showing they actually voted. This still gives people freedom of choice - if they choose not to vote they can either work or take an unpaid holiday.
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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

Mandatory voting is the most foolish notion i heard in a long time.

I would love mandatory education of the poiticians platforms that people vote on

Would you not love a voting record and platform of each candidate handed to you before the vote.

We this board seem to know alot.

The average voter i think cant even name the vice president or speaker of the house yet they vote.

Think how dirty politics would get if everyone had to vote. No truth all slander because the people that dont vote now would pull the ticket for the best campaigner that they saw a 30 second spot on.

Or they would take the advice of their heroe whether its 50 cents, dixie chicks, lee greenwood, or sammy sosa.

Dumb people can vote if they take the initiative

Lets not force them too.
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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

So what happens if you don't vote? A fine?
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So what happens if you don't vote? A fine?
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So what happens if you don't vote? A fine?
I believe this is the case in Belgium, where they have mandatory voting.
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Mandatory exercise of voting rights ( like many ideas ) looks good on paper, but would only increase the partisanship.
How ? - Now that every citizen must cast a ballot, instead of " GOTV rallies ", which for the most part is only preaching to the choir, with every candidate realizing that everyone they meet must vote, what better way to distinguish themselves from all the other candidates than to stake out unique positions on the issues and maybe even choose some fringe ( partisan ) topic upon which to base their campaign.

If the majority of constituents had the willingness to sift thru all the BS flung at them from all quarters and come to a sound reason for choosing one candidate over another, mandatory voting might be a worthwhile pursuit. Unfortunately, those of us who frequent forums such as this at least have some basis in logic behind the votes we cast. That cannot be said of the gen pop.
NOT true. take a look at Australia where we do have mandatory voting - but we are nowhere near as partisan as you are - although there are a range of other factors that contribute to this.
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I figured it would go like this, but at least it has generated an interesting discussion!

I'd be interested to hear what other factors you think contribute to that effect. My next poll is going to be about preferential voting. That one will probably have more positive reactions than this one.
I think its the difference in the mental landscape. we have a healthy skepticism of our politicians, while in the US faith plays a greater role. This kind of leads to a political following that to an outsider looks like religious devotion.

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Mandatory voting is the most foolish notion i heard in a long time.

I would love mandatory education of the poiticians platforms that people vote on

Would you not love a voting record and platform of each candidate handed to you before the vote.

We this board seem to know alot.

The average voter i think cant even name the vice president or speaker of the house yet they vote.

Think how dirty politics would get if everyone had to vote. No truth all slander because the people that dont vote now would pull the ticket for the best campaigner that they saw a 30 second spot on.

Or they would take the advice of their heroe whether its 50 cents, dixie chicks, lee greenwood, or sammy sosa.

Dumb people can vote if they take the initiative

Lets not force them too.

in this country, where we do have mandatory voting, many people vote on the same basis as they do in the US. Some vote on the basis of perceived self interest, most are no more nor less influenced buy the lies of their political leaders than you are, and some will vote based on personality factors.

What is noticeably different is that partisanship is much less marked. The fact that we have the Liberals (ie conservatives) in the Federal parliament, and Labor governments in all states tends to testify to that. It is true that there are people who vote along party lines because they always have, their parents did etc ... but this is no different from int he US.

The lead up to the election is relatively short, and it is held nationally on one day (a Saturday). State elections are also held on Saturdays with the same lead time.

after coming to USPO over the last two and a half years + I am pretty convinced that US politics is a much nastier and divisive system than ours.
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So what happens if you don't vote? A fine?
there is a $50 fine, but it is easily avoided by casting a 'donkey vote' if you are so anti voting.
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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

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Would you support mandatory voting?

In another thread today a poster said that voting was mandatory in their country, and maybe that had some effect on partisanship. Do you think that requiring voter participation in elections would improve the effectiveness of our U.S. democracy? Why or why not?
Please explain how manditory voting could decrease partisan politics?

What is the logic? How would that work exactly?

Perhaps I am missing something, but I fail to see a connection between manditory voting and partisan politics.

The question sounds to me comparable to, "Would manditory viewing of the Superbowl keep fans from cheering for either team, and/or change the outcome of the game?

It makes no sense to me.

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Re: Could mandatory voting decrease partisan politics?

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Would you support mandatory voting?

In another thread today a poster said that voting was mandatory in their country, and maybe that had some effect on partisanship. Do you think that requiring voter participation in elections would improve the effectiveness of our U.S. democracy? Why or why not?
Please explain how manditory voting could decrease partisan politics?

What is the logic? How would that work exactly?

Perhaps I am missing something, but I fail to see a connection between manditory voting and partisan politics.

The question sounds to me comparable to, "Would manditory viewing of the Superbowl keep fans from cheering for either team, and/or change the outcome of the game?

It makes no sense to me.

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there is a $50 fine, but it is easily avoided by casting a 'donkey vote' if you are so anti voting.
The term "donkey vote" was new to me, but thanks to the Internet I got an answer:

A "donkey vote" means voting according to a pattern, e.g. choosing the first candidate or option on each issue - like checking A, A, A, A on a multiple choice test. You need to create multiple versions of the ballot, with order randomized, or else the person in the first slot always wins. As long as the voting system ensures that donkey votes go to statistically-random selections, they aren't a huge problem - they tend to make counts closer than they would be otherwise.
Source: http://www.thetalentshow.org/archives/000773.html

Wouldn't the term "donkey vote" mean a vote for the Democrats in the USA, with the donkey as their party symbol?
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I think its the difference in the mental landscape. we have a healthy skepticism of our politicians, while in the US faith plays a greater role. This kind of leads to a political following that to an outsider looks like religious devotion.

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