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Old 11-02-2006
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Re: Democrats: Prepare yourselves for upset

That is some good advice Jefe. IMHO, All the polls are worthless except one, the one held on election day.

Republicans are energized though, compliments of the asshat....
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Errr...yes, they do matter.

"In my opinion, Candidate A is better than Candidate B, so I'm going to vote for Candidate A."

People use their votes to express their opinions on relevant issues.
Wrong again. As I said earlier, ONLY their votes matter in an election. In fact, all voting machines tally only votes, not opinions.

You are apparently one of those folks who can't tell the difference between polls (which tabulate opinions) and elections (which tabulate votes) which may help explain why Democrats continue losing election after election, despite the fact that the mainstream media keeps bombarding us with opinion polls prior to those elections.
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Wrong again. As I said earlier, ONLY their votes matter in an election. In fact, all voting machines tally only votes, not opinions.

You are apparently one of those folks who can't tell the difference between polls (which tabulate opinions) and elections (which tabulate votes) which may help explain why Democrats continue losing election after election, despite the fact that the mainstream media keeps bombarding us with opinion polls prior to those elections.
Calm down there, Skippy. Speakeasy knows very well the difference between an opinion poll and an election.

And besides, I have a funny feeling that you wouldn't mind being bombarded with opinion polls, if those polls were in your favor.
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Wrong again. As I said earlier, ONLY their votes matter in an election. In fact, all voting machines tally only votes, not opinions.
Let me break this down for you.

People decide who to vote for based off of their opinion. For you to say opinions do not matter in an election is ridiculous, because people voice their opinion with a vote.

"In my opinion, abortion should be illegal. I'm going to voice that opinion by voting for this anti-abortion candidate." Maybe that example will get you on the same page.

I think I may understand why this concept is lost on you, though. Because you vote strictly for one party and one party only. So to you, a vote isn't you expressing an opinion, a vote is you trying to score points for your team.

The rest of your post is merely an extension of your inability to understand what I'm saying. I'm sure you can do it, it's not really an advanced concept or anything.
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Calm down there, Skippy. Speakeasy knows very well the difference between an opinion poll and an election.

And besides, I have a funny feeling that you wouldn't mind being bombarded with opinion polls, if those polls were in your favor.
Get your head together, Flipper. Obviously he can't tell the difference between an opinion poll and an election, because he actually claimed that opinions mattered in an election. They do not.

And besides, I have a funny feeling that you tend to vote Democrat. And because you do, you post posts commenting about other posters' supposed feelings, rather than discuss the issues they raise. How typically Democrat of you.
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I think I may understand why this concept is lost on you, though. Because you vote strictly for one party and one party only.
You can climb down off of your high horse, Pardner - you have no idea what my voting record is, despite your arrogant pretension that you think you know.
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Get your head together, Flipper. Obviously he can't tell the difference between an opinion poll and an election, because he actually claimed that opinions mattered in an election. They do not.
I think the majority of this board and people in general would find the statement "opinions do not matter in elections" to be so totally absurd that they would label whoever said it as a complete waste of time and not worthy of conversation. Good day, sir.
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You can climb down off of your high horse, Pardner - you have no idea what my voting record is, despite your arrogant pretension that you think you know.
Yes, you've certainly given off the impression that you're an equal opportunity voter since you've been on this board.
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I think the majority of this board and people in general would find the statement "opinions do not matter in elections" to be so totally absurd that they would label whoever said it as a complete waste of time and not worthy of conversation. Good day, sir.
I think anyone who imagines that voting machines count anything other than votes is an idiot. Good day, sir.
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Re: Democrats: Prepare yourselves for upset

Intellectual Exercise for the Idiots who imagine elections tally opinions, rather than votes:

Voter X holds the following opinions:


"Taxes should be increased on the Working Class"

"If you don't study hard, you're apt to end up in the military."

"Abortion is the intentional murder of a live human being."


Then Voter X walks into the voting booth on Election Day. He is presented with the opportunity to vote for either a Republican or a Democrat.

QUESTION: Which lever will he pull to record his opinion(s)?

Any of you clowns who still imagine that elections tabulate anything other than votes are idiots. You're idiots because you're not even bright enough to recognize when you are wrong.

Kind of like John Kerry, come to think of it.
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I think anyone who imagines that voting machines count anything other than votes is an idiot. Good day, sir.
First of all, I'd try my best to not indirectly refer to posters on this board as idiots. It's quite against the forum rules.

Second of all, I think I may know where some communication problems between us may lie. I think you've misinterpreted what I've said to mean that I think opinion polls matter in an election. I would agree that they rarely, if ever, do and they are often much different than the election results.

What I am saying is when a person makes their personal decision on who to vote for, they vote off of their personal opinion on who would make the best candidate.

Hopefully that helps.
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QUESTION: Which lever will he pull to record his opinion(s)?
They will push the button (most don't have levers anymore) of the candidate who supports the majority of their opinions on these matters.

Also, you should use the gender neutral term 'they' or 'their', instead of 'he' or 'his'. Women can also vote, as well.

Quite a simple answer.
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vote  Pronunciation noun, verb, vot‧ed, vot‧ing.

–noun 1. a formal expression of opinion or choice, either positive or negative, made by an individual or body of individuals.
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1. To express one's preference for a candidate or for a proposed resolution of an issue; cast a vote: voting against the measure.
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Main Entry: vote
Function: noun
Etymology: Latin votum vow, hope, wish
1 a : a usually formal expression of opinion or will in response to a proposed decision;
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Well said.

I hate chickens....I raised more than I'd like to admit and they are dirty, they eat each other and each other's shit.....That's why I don't eat them no more.
You mean that you don't know the secret to keeping chickens from pecking each other?
You put Democratic glasses on them. You know, "rose-colored".
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What I am saying is when a person makes their personal decision on who to vote for, they vote off of their personal opinion on who would make the best candidate.

Hopefully that helps.
That sounds reasonable.

However, note that it's not their opinion that is being tabulated, but rather only their vote. Indeed, their vote is typically a consequence of multiple opinions they happen to hold, some of which may be contradictory and/or at odds with each other.

Opinions are never counted in an election; only votes are counted.

Which is another reason why pre-election opinion polls are of so little worth.

Plus there's what we might call the Kerry Factor. For months and months now, the mainstream media, carrying the water for the Democrat Party as always, has presented poll after poll as if it were "news". On the contrary, it was manufactured "news", designed to suppress the GOP vote and discourage the Republicans. And the foolish Democrats actually began to believe that manufactured "news" was going to propel them to victory.

Then Kerry opened his yap.

Suddenly the American Voter was reminded what the Democrat Party thinks about our military, and was reminded that the Democrat Party has opposed the war on Muslim Terrorism at every turn. And was reminded of those two highly relevent facts just prior to Election Day.

And suddenly all those happy-sounding (from a Demmie perspective) polls were pretty meaningless, and Democrat Party operatives had to scramble to hide Kerry from public view, and Democrat candidates began canceling Kerry's campaign appearances on their behalf left and right.
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