A logical fallacy.

Taking your position on Bush (i.e. that he is a complete idiot), then Obama being better really does not mean that much, now does it?

Personally, I think Obama is an excellent speaker, but I do not agree with his positions on a number of issues.

Matt

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I am not Republican.
I did not vote for Bush the 2nd term.

So your wrong right out of the gate.

It is ludicrous to think only Republicans think that a person should be a proven-experienced successful leader to be President of the United States.

If you only argument is "look at what we have now" - you have no basis for argument.

Note that I was careful not to accuse you personally of voting for GWB or of being a Republican.

However I believe the reasons given were a very good basis for argument. The current president was evidently a silly choice by Republicans after he took office but they still chose to stick with a man who had no experience in anything but failurem had no concept of forein policy no ethical or moral conviction and no executive prowess or leadership ability to continue running the county. Any GWB voter (including the '00 election) that claims lack of experience as an issue of importance to them becomes a very large hippocrit and the partisan nature of their argument reers its ugly head.

If you didn't vote for GWB at all then you still have credibility to make a lack of experience arguement against Obama. That being said, I would just have to disagreee and move on while citing the numerous other examples of people with less experience making good presidents.

Buchanon had extensive experience and made a terrible president. Lincoln had little experience and was one of the greatest president according to many scholars. I can't believe this "experience" thing is such a big deal. Like how accountability was the talking point into 2000. We see how those loudmouthed blowhards discarded that line as soon as they came into power.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

This whole comparison of Lincoln and Obama is on it's face - ridiculous.

Abe Lincoln was one the most respected and successful lawyers in the country.

Obama was a small time civil lawyer in Illinois. - that's it.
Has never had an actual job.
Abe Lincoln worked his entire life, including owning and operating his own business.

Harding had some political experience prior to office, much on the same track as Obama did by similarly starting in state elected offices before moving on to federal elected offices. Harding was elected to the Ohio State Senate in 1899 where he served 4 years before being elected Lieutenant Governor of Ohio from 1903 to 1905. He lost an electoral bid for the Ohio Governor's seat in 1910, but was elected US Senator for Ohio in 1914. He served in that seat until swearing in as the POTUS in 1921.

Oddly, another possible similarity between the two men is that it is still heavily speculated the Harding had some black heritage, an allegation that dogged him first locally and then nationally back then. If this is indeed true, then Obama, if elected, would not be the first American POTUS of black heritage as often claimed he would be.

Harding was taunted as a child in school with the nickname 'Nig' due to local rumours/assumptions around his Ohio home that he had black ancestors. Before he got married, Harding's father-in-law fiercely opposed the marriage--even disowning his own daughter afterwards for years--after warning her not to marry into "the black-blooded Harding family." In office, a racist political enemy, William Estabrook Chancellor, went after Harding with a book claiming to have traced his lineage that showed black ancestors. Harding never confirmed or denied these claims although given the time period it seems like a no-brainer to deny them specifically and publicly and show proof to rebut them if they were false. Known to be a really fun guy with a sense of humour, when once asked about this speculation directly, Harding cleverly dodged the question with a joke: " How do I know, Jim? One of my ancestors may have jumped the fence." Many black Hardings have and still claim links to him citing geneology and family trees. The issue is still formally unresolved. Given the recent discovery that Thomas Jefferson did father children with mulatto Sally Hemmings--a rumour that similarly floated for centuries in hush-hushes, allegations and denials--I am rather surprised that steps haven't been made to reach a conclusion on this issue for historical purposes.

According to CNN.com - CNN Political Ticker,

And then, depending on his decision, we may get to listen to him more often.

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- Hermann Goering

Just a Point: I become more convinced every day that the President does not really need experience in Goverment, or war, or anything else except the ability to lead, and choose persons who "DO" in fact have the prerequisite knowlege of a particular thing, like war, the economy, diplomacy, etc. Thus it takes a smart leader, (a manager)not an experienced politician.

Take your name out and insert my name and it fits my situation exactly.

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So, bottom line. If we were still living in the horse and buggy age, Obama would be the man.
Unfortunately for Obama, the world is a lot more complex and a junior senator like Obama would be over his head very quickly.

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Actually Ted Stevens would be a on top of his game since he time travelled to the present from the horse&buggy era. The internets is a series of tubes.

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"I think—tide turning—see, as I remember—I was raised in the desert, but tides kind of—it's easy to see a tide turn—did I say those words?"—Washington, D.C., June 14, 2006

"[T]he illiteracy level of our children are appalling."—Washington, D.C., Jan. 23, 2004

You're right; Bush is something less than “impressive” BUT like it or not, he did have an 8 year record to mull over in Texas………dem. Rep. I don’t vote straight ticket, but I’ll take this record to look over, instead of a 4 year (in 08) senators any day…like it or not he had every year budgetary, education, law enforcement considerations every year for 8 years….they would have torn him up on his record if they could have…they tried…but his record as gov. in Texas was not as bad as we would/some like to believe…..…he may have turned into something else while pres. but that’s after the fact………

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Who could have foreseen that GW would turn out to be a fiscal liberal.

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" - James Wilson, U. S. Supreme Court Justice and Signer of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution

Obama's depth (or lack of depth) of experience is something that most of us will look at and consider. I'm not going to argue against that. However, I stand by what I said in an earlier post .... I don't think he can be dismissed based solely or mainly on any perceived lack of experience.

I don't think that the type and amount of experience that anyone has can be considered a true indication of how that person will perform in office. We've had some very experienced men elected President who turned out not-so-good and couldn't get re-elected, and we've had some relatively inexperienced men elected President who turned out to be pretty good.

Experience is a factor, but not overwhelmingly important. What a person says, and what a person believes, and the positions a person takes on the issues of the day are, I think, more important than experience.

Also important is attitude, and after the truly bitter partisan politics of the Clinton and Bush Jr. years, I really, really like Obama's attitude.

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The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in every country.

- Hermann Goering

I'd vote for a homeless non-experienced person if it meant change for the good....
But I won't vote for someone who swears in on the koran and I won't vote for someone who voted for amnesty for the illegals..... Both of which Obama did or wants to do...

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