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Old 12-15-2006
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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Oh, I didn't realize that you could buy a governership! That sounds great. Ya know, I do have some extra cash...... How much for a small state, like Rhode Island?

Whatever you are smoking, can I have some? I'll meet you in Compton and I am willing to pay......
Bush the elder bought two, Florida, and Texas and if your's is a serious question, (or comment) I feel rather sorry for you (and your family)
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Old 12-18-2006
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

People may be listening to Obama and, as the poster said, drop everything just to hear him speak but will they vote for him? A guy that has been in the Senate for two years, almost four when they hold the election. I don't think so. My guess is that John McCain will win 450 electoral votes against Obama. Democrats would probably lose California, Pennsylvania, Michigan and New Jersey, States they MUST have to win the Presidency. And with the Clinton's watching this one from the sidelines it could be much worse. (You need Bill to campaign for you or you are toast). Inexperience was the argument against Edwards for Vice Pres. in 2000. That's why Lieberman was chosen (big mistake) so now you want to run someone like that for president? Give me a break! O, and Kennedy had been in the Senate for eight years and in the house before that for, I believe, six years. He had been re-elected several times. That's a whole lot different from a first time Senator who has never been re-elected and may have been a mistake!
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Old 12-18-2006
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

What experience, exactly, did Shrub have? He was governor of state where the lt. governor is more powerful. He presided over failed businesses, bankrupting them. He traded Sammy Sosa. Doesn't seem like presidential material. Yet, there he is.

There are plenty of folks who made it to the presidency, and did so successfully, without much "political" experience. I think your claims are WAY overblown.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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A double standard would be one standard for one group (Republicans) and another for another group (Democrats). I think that if anyone is applying a double standard, it would be Bush supporters who are making noise about Obama's level of experience.

But if one applies the same standard to both groups, and using Bush as an example, we can see that the degree to which someone has "experience" doesn't seem to be a huge barrier to becoming President. In the 2000 Presidential election, and looking at public service, Gore had 8 years as Vice-President and several terms as a Congressman as well as two terms as a US Senator, vs. Bush's 8 years as the governor of Texas.

Of course, using Bush as an example is a bit unfair. Yes, he's incompetent, but I don't think that any amount of previous experience would have helped raise his level of competence as President.
Please do not use George Bush as an example, or to compare with, for anything. Everybody looks great compared to old George the Decider.
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Old 12-18-2006
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

Feingold is the man

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Obama sucks. End of story.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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After just briefly looking over his voting records, I'd have to agree, he sucks !
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Old 12-19-2006
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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Please do not use George Bush as an example, or to compare with, for anything. Everybody looks great compared to old George the Decider.
As I said in my post, it's a bit unfair to use Bush as an example. But just as people use the Presidents they believe did the best job as a measuring stick for others aspiring to that office, so too should we use the worst as a measuring stick, and now - for recent really, really bad Presidents - Nixon has company.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

About Obama's experience in elected office, or lack thereof .... I forget which show I was watching over the weekend where one of the pundits said something that made me search online to see if it was true, and apparently it is.

Abraham Lincoln's experience as an elected official prior to being elected President was 8 years in the Illinois legislature and 2 years in the US House of Representatives.

In January of '09, Obama's experience as an elected official will be 7 years in the Illinois legislature and 4 years in the US Senate.

Am I saying Obama is today's Lincoln? No. But am I saying that Obama would not be the first person elected President with a somewhat thin resume? Yep.

It's still very early in the game. It will be difficult for Obama to sustain his rock star status, and when he starts getting into the details of his positions on various issues, I'm sure there will be landmines he may trip over. But I don't think he can be dismissed based solely or mainly on any perceived lack of experience.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

Harding was a newspaper editor when he was elected president. The people wailing on and on about Obama's lack of experience are just tools who know nothin about politics.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

What I can say of Obama is that he is modeling his unofficial campaign after Hillary.
He is attending places that he knows he has wide support, and is only appearing on softball interviews, like Hillary, Dean, Gore and now Obama they all appear on Larry King, Barbara Walters etc. where they know they will not be challenged.

His voting record is liberal, but nowhere near the extent of say Kennedy.
Currently he is a media darling, the press and Hollywood worship him..however one wonders why - he is overated, untested and a sophomore politician at best.

Why is this guy so well liked? Because he is a good orator? Because he can sway a crowd?
Sorry - it takes abit more than that to be the leader of the free world.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

I meant to say before Harding became president. Not during.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

The latest name for the 'saintly senator' is OBAMBI.

I think it accurately reflects his level of experience.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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Name one policy initiative Obama has headed?

Or even one piece of legislation he has authored that has become law?

If you are going to pump this "This guy should be your leader" stuff, at least try to justify it.

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That is the problem, and it isn't his fault. He seems to be a reasonable, decent and honest man - not exactly standard fare among politicians. He also has a rare gift: he actually listens.

However, he does not have the experience or the background at this point to lead. I do not know what his views are on the economy, or on foreign policy. He wants to avoid offending people - but sometimes goes too far. He made some insulting comments (they were surprisingly crude) about people who oppose abortion, and then apologized. I respect his apology: but what is his real view?

I do appreciate his respect for religious faith. He understands that the Dems only hurt themselves when they express their contempt, dislike and disgust for people of faith. He doesn't have to share my views;I appreciate the lack of sneering and mockery.

But he lacks experience. How will he deal with serious issues under stress? There is no way to know at this point. The media is obsessed with him, to the point of nausea. They need to relax and allow the public to discover him.

There is also his name: it will turn off many people, at least slightly. Is that fair? No, but it is true. It is also politically incorrect to say this, so it will not be addressed. This is hardly his fault! That is the name he was born with! But it is a problem: and I don't see how that can be addressed.
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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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Re: I can listen to Barak Obama speak all day long

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Sorry - it takes abit more than that to be the leader of the free world.
Again I keep seeing this "experience" thing comming up. It also seems to come up from conservatives and Bush voters the most. So let me get this straight:

Republicans say it takes alot more than what Obama has to be President
yet they voted in George W Bush then re-elected him to a second term?

Hang on I need to process that for a min.....

Lets try it again:

Republicans say it takes alot more than what Obama has to be President
yet they voted in George W Bush then re-elected him to a second term?

No, its still a preposerous sentence. All of a sudden Republicans think a man needs to have experience to be president? They just re-eelcted a man who cannot even put together a coherent sentence that measn anything (and I'm not just talking about a poor public speaker). Picture this: George Bush sitting on a Senate panel conducting a confirmation hearing. The ability simply isn't there. Please oh please let experience be the Republican attack line in '08.
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