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Old 12-12-2006
unlawflcombatnt unlawflcombatnt is offline
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Outsourcing Bonanza: Vietnamese Trade Normalization

On Friday, December 8th, the House of Representatives passed H.R. 6406, by a vote of 212-184 This bill allows for "normalization" of trade with Vietnam.

This new "permanent normalization of trade relations" (PNTR) with Vietnam is the first step in opening up their labor market to exploitation by Corporate America and to the outsourcing of American jobs to Vietnam.

What are the relative "benefits" to the United States? It allegedly opens up the Vietnamese "consumer" market to American goods. However, the benefit of such market opening is minuscule. The exchange traded value of Vietnam's entire GDP is only $43 billion. (See Vietnam: CIA assessment ) This is approximately 3/100ths of a percent of U.S. GDP. To put it another way, if Vietnam's entire GDP was spent on American imports, it would raise U.S. GDP .03%. So a U.S. GDP growth of 2.20% would rise to 2.23%. Again, this is assuming ALL of Vietnam's GDP was spent on American goods, which is certainly not going to happen. Vietnam's Exchange Rate per capita GDP is only $521/year. {Vietnam's Purchasing Power Parity (PPP) per capita GDP is listed as $2800. By converting this to an exchange rate value this becomes a per capita income of only $521/year. It's the Exchange Rate income that is important here, because this measures the ability to purchase American imports.} Given these numbers it's very unlikely that we can sell significant U.S production to Vietnamese consumers.

What's the downside? Vietnam has a labor force of 43 million workers. Once Vietnam is opened up to investment by Corporate America, this could become a virtual addition of 43 million workers to America's 152 million participating labor force. If Corporate America replaced 43 million American workers ( averaging $17/hour ) with 43 million Vietnamese workers, it would reduce American labor & consumer income by $1.52 trillion.

(43 million X $17/hr. X 8 hrs./day X 365 days/yr. X 5 days/wk divided by 7 days/week = $1.52 trillion. )

This would also reduce American consumer spending power by $1.52 trillion dollars. A decline in consumer spending by that $1.52 trillion, subtracted directly from our $13 trillion GDP, would amount to a direct decline in our GDP of almost 12%. (Applying any multiplier would drop our GDP far more than 12%) Of course, we could "gain" that whopping 0.03% in GDP from selling our exports to Vietnam.

These are theoretical calculations only, designed to show the magnitude of relative benefits vs. costs to Americans from "normalization" of trade with Vietnam. While Corporate America is not likely to hire all 43 million Vietnamese workers, it's clear that the potential loss to our economy is much greater than the potential gain. We'll gain an almost non-existent consumer market from Vietnam, while adding a virtual 43 million workers to America's labor pool. And the direct loss of jobs is only the measurable effect. The decline in American wages from the supply & demand effect of competition with another 43 million impoverished workers hasn't been calculated. Clearly this would decrease American wages and labor income MUCH more than just $1.52 trillion.

To the majority of Americans, permanent normalization of trade with Vietnam is exclusively negative. Once again, it'll put American workers (and their wages) in direct competition with impoverished 3rd world workers.

Clearly the goal here is not to open up the Vietnamese consumer market to American goods. The goal is to open up the Vietnamese labor market to American Multinational Corporations. The true goal is to replace even more American workers with easily exploitable semi-slave laborers of another impoverished country. It'll be another disaster for American workers, and another windfall profit gain for rich Globalist Corporations.

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Old 12-18-2006
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Re: Outsourcing Bonanza: Vietnamese Trade Normalization

the economic incompetence here is simply staggering.

You assume that every single worker living in vietnam will replace on a one to one basis US workers, and exclusively workers in skilled jobs further that none of these workers will consume a thing, that there will be no tarriffs, that there will be no substitution effect from other countries that the US also has normalized relations with...

Quite frankly your estimations are completely ridiculous, as is this thread. The US has normalized trade with the vast majority of nations on the face of this planet and the sky has yet to fall, there is no mass starvation in the streets and people are still employed.
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Old 12-19-2006
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Re: Outsourcing Bonanza: Vietnamese Trade Normalization

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the economic incompetence here is simply staggering.

You assume that every single worker living in vietnam will replace on a one to one basis US workers, and exclusively workers in skilled jobs further that none of these workers will consume a thing, that there will be no tarriffs, that there will be no substitution effect from other countries that the US also has normalized relations with...

Quite frankly your estimations are completely ridiculous, as is this thread. The US has normalized trade with the vast majority of nations on the face of this planet and the sky has yet to fall, there is no mass starvation in the streets and people are still employed.
My main question is what the hell is left to outsource? Seriously, between India, China, the Phillipines, Pakistan, and a few African countries, what's the point? I think those countries can handle all the outsourcing.
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Old 12-22-2006
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My main question is what the hell is left to outsource? Seriously, between India, China, the Phillipines, Pakistan, and a few African countries, what's the point? I think those countries can handle all the outsourcing.
Well thats the other part of this, considering there is plenty of capacity in any of those countries all we'll have is movements between them rather then from the US to them.

Capital Intensive Manufacturing, the Knowledge based service sector, and many others will stay in the US and will not move.
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