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proUSA · #16 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by noahath

Anyone who questions Fox's bias

So IYO CNN, MSNBC and the many others aren't bias ?

IronMaiden27 · #17 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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They can't stand up and defend any issue, so they think if they stay on the offensive they won't have too.

Sounds an awful like the war plan. Does anyone see the similarities here?

drgoodtrips · #18 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by scarywoody

That's typically the conservative way I've noticed. they will make a statement and follow it up by some sort of insult.

That's quite a sweeping generalization. In fact, it belies your own partisanship - the problem isn't "conservatives" or "liberals" but rather the fact that you're happy to issue blanket insults at anyone with the temerity to disagree with your worldview.

Edit - my apologies. I noticed after I posted that you said this:

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That was unfair I shouldn't say conservatives...I should say certain conservatives on this message board.

noahath · #19 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by proUSA

So IYO CNN, MSNBC and the many others aren't bias ?

I never said that, but we are talking about Fox here.

Jason Marcel · #20 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

Every news outfit is going to have a bias. FOX is in a special category all their own however. They are conservative lapdogs.

You can't say that about CNN. CNN, you might remember, gave us those amazing images of the runnup to Baghdad at the beginning of the war, when they were definitely with the President, though some on the right have forgotten. CNN isn't very liberal so much as they are lazy. They ask tough questions after the fact all too much. As a news outfit they are strong at "in the moment" reporting, but very lazy at being the "fifth estate" that questions the powers that be.

Rakkasan · #21 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by chassisman

OK you don't like Fox so you aren't going to watch it. Got it. Thanks for the info.

gotta love it

proUSA · #22 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by noahath

I never said that, but we are talking about Fox here.

I wasn't saying you did, I was just wondering that's all.
I happen to watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC and local just to "try" and get a feel of what's going on.

proUSA · #23 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

Every news outfit is going to have a bias. FOX is in a special category all their own however. They are conservative lapdogs.

You can't say that about CNN. CNN, you might remember, gave us those amazing images of the runnup to Baghdad at the beginning of the war, when they were definitely with the President, though some on the right have forgotten. CNN isn't very liberal so much as they are lazy. They ask tough questions after the fact all too much. As a news outfit they are strong at "in the moment" reporting, but very lazy at being the "fifth estate" that questions the powers that be.

I'll agree that they are stronger on "In the moment" reporting, but they are left-leaning IMO.

Rakkasan · #24 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by bebop

I admit, I used to watch Fox News... often. When I was in college and didn't know any better.

So I tuned to Fox News yesterday to see the post State of the Union address commentary and what I saw was shocking. I mean, back when I watched Fox News, they were biased and unfair too but it was nowhere close to the current level.

First of all, no Fox News achor would go more than five minutes without stabbing the Democrats in the backs. As in: Boy, the President is great, he has great plans... what will the Democrats do to stop this great man and the great vision for America?

Among the things I heard on Fox that is known to be wrong:

Fox: GM and Ford got screwed in negotiating union workers' health plan. Bush's plan will help corporations like Ford and GM.

Facts: Ford re-negotiated with the union over a year ago and saved $850 millions in the process. GM also got a similar deal with their union. Not discussed is the reason for the government to jump in and intrude on private business. If you overpaid for your house, would the government jump in and give you a break? Then why should private corporations get intruded upon? Bad deals are part of the Laissez-faire that Republicans often preached but rarely followed.

Fox: the Democrats want us to leave Iraq right now!

Facts: most Democrats prefer a phased withdraw. Note the term "phased withdraw." No prominent Democrat has ever proposed we just pack up and leave tomorrow. Many favors a phased withdraw that last more than two years and up the level of training for the Iraqis poice and military during the phased withdraw. Some also favor a re-deployment that stations our troops either just outside of Iraq or in less hostile part of Iraq, and of course, to Afghanistan.

Fox: No one has a plan for Iraq. This president has a plan.

Fact: No one has a plan? Does the Iraq Study Group rings any bell?

Fox: If America put worth its maximum effort, resource, and dedication to this war, we can win it.

Fact: I agree we can win it if we dump our "maximum" into it. But talk about an incompete thought. The "minimum" that is needed to secure Bagdad as estimated by leaders who successfully rebuild Bosnia is 400,000 troops at about $20 billions US dollars a day. Where are we going to get the troops and who is going to pay for it? Will Fox News support a military draft? Will Murdock shoulders some of the cost of the war increase?

And that's just in 30 minutes of viewing and just the things I know off the top of my head. Who knows how much garbage and spins were embedded that I didn't catch. Now I understand how some of the conservatives on this board are so, well, less informed than the average citizens.

wow this is an incredible montage again from a left leaning poster who is saying once again all those that watch Station A are morons........

nice form , how many threads on this board are on the same premise???????

i dont watch fox......but to say Fox is the only politically biased network out there is disingenuous and something moveon and out foxed and the left has jamned down the left leaning worlds throats which is kind of the same thing that is accused of FOX isnt it?

noahath · #25 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by proUSA

I wasn't saying you did, I was just wondering that's all.
I happen to watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC and local just to "try" and get a feel of what's going on.

Ditto, although I don't watch Fox. I use a variety of sources also as all sources are biased one way or another, so in order to get a clear picture, people need to look at several different sources, across several mediums too, IMO.

kramer · #26 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by bebop

Among the things I heard on Fox that is known to be wrong:

Fox: GM and Ford got screwed in negotiating union workers' health plan. Bush's plan will help corporations like Ford and GM.

Facts: Ford re-negotiated with the union over a year ago and saved $850 millions in the process. GM also got a similar deal with their union. Not discussed is the reason for the government to jump in and intrude on private business. If you overpaid for your house, would the government jump in and give you a break? Then why should private corporations get intruded upon? Bad deals are part of the Laissez-faire that Republicans often preached but rarely followed.

How do you know "GM and Ford got screwed in negotiating union workers' health plan" meant last year? This could have been in reference to another time that they negotiated a contract.

Kramer

Donkey_Left · #27 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by proUSA

I wasn't saying you did, I was just wondering that's all.
I happen to watch Fox, CNN, MSNBC and local just to "try" and get a feel of what's going on.

You'd be better off reading the paper.

bebop · #28 (**permalink**) 01-24-2007

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Originally Posted by Rakkasan

i dont watch fox......but to say Fox is the only politically biased network out there is disingenuous and something moveon and out foxed and the left has jamned down the left leaning worlds throats which is kind of the same thing that is accused of FOX isnt it?

I have always stressed comprehension and logic for both parties. People like you need to read. I mean really read what was written instead of what you think is on the page.

I've never said Fox News is the only politically biased network out there. Never.

And I don't understand the comparison of moveon to Fox News. Maybe you're trying to say Fox News is the extreme and radical right's version of moveon. But moveon is nowhere close to the viewership of Fox News. Why compare two objects of vastly different sizes?