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Thompson is a non-entity, a pipe dream. He does not want to run and even if he did, his support of this war will land him right in the toliet along with McCain.

Republicans are looking to Thompson because the field they have now is so miserably weak.

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I’d say it’s ill-advised to count Fred Thompson out before you see how he interacts with the American public. He didn’t want to run out, mostly of respect for McCain. Since it looks like McCain won’t fair too well against the Democrats top contenders, he is reconsidering. He’s expected to make an announcement on May 4 at an appearance at the 45th annual dinner of the Lincoln Club of Orange County in Southern California.
Uh-huh, sure. Thompson is an after-thought and only brought up now because the rest of the republican field is so miserable.

He has an incurable form of cancer, indolent lymphoma .. and although I wish the dude no ill health his ability to run and remain president is questionable.

I like his position on abortion, although I doubt the religious nutcases will.
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Public approval of Congress is rising, poll finds
40 percent approval rating tops that of President Bush
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/18027515/
April 9, 2007

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WASHINGTON - Public approval for Congress is at its highest level in a year as Democrats mark 100 days in power and step up their confrontation with President Bush over his handling of the Iraq War, the issue that overshadows all others.

Overall approval for Congress is 40 percent. The survey shows Bush's approval ratings remain in the mid-30 percent range, that a striking 39 percent strongly disapproves his handling of foreign policy and the war on terror
Congressional Dems' Approval Hits New High
Tue Apr 17, 2007
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While Congressional Democrats no longer enjoy the type of glowingly positive reviews from the media, their approval rating among the American people has not diminished. In fact, according to the latest ABC News/Washington Post polling, the Democrats are at a high water mark for support.

Currently, Congress' approval rating stands at a passable, though not wonderful 44 percent, with 54 percent disapproving. This marks the highest level support for the Congress in close to four years and it is 9 points higher than the President's approval rating. More importantly, however, Democrats in Congress have an approval rating of 54 percent positive, 44 percent negative, the best numbers the party has put up since ABC and The Post began asking the questing in 1994 -- and better than the Republicans have ever received during that same time period. Currently, the Congressional Republicans come in with an approval rating of just 39 percent, up from recent polling but still much worse than the Democrats' rating.
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WASHINGTON --Public approval for Congress is at its highest level in a year as Democrats mark 100 days in power and step up their confrontation with President Bush over his handling of the Iraq War, the issue that overshadows all others. Overall approval for Congress is 40 percent.
Public Approval of Democratic Congress at New High
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So Congress as a whole, and not just Pelosi herself now significantly eclipse approval of the President. It takes time to move mountains, and as the polling shows, Congress has been at ridiculous lows: Last June, disapproval was at 74%, approval at 24%. Contrast that to 40% approval and 57% disapproval today.


While the Iraq war has dominated the days since then, Democrats also quickly showcased their domestic priorities and used their power to convene hearings — and issue subpoenas — to embarrass the administration.

Against that backdrop, the AP poll indicates the public wants Congress to push for an end to a war that has claimed the lives of more than 3,200 U.S. troops.
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Washington Post-ABC News Poll April 16, 2007 (washingtonpost.com)

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Do you approve or disapprove of the way the U.S. Congress is doing its job?

-------- Approve -------- ------- Disapprove ------ No
NET Strongly Somewhat NET Somewhat Strongly opinion
4/15/07 44 8 36 54 25 29 3
2/25/07 41 NA NA 54 NA NA 5
1/19/07 43 NA NA 50 NA NA 8
12/11/06 37 NA NA 57 NA NA 6
11/4/06 RV 36 7 29 60 25 35 4
10/22/06 31 5 25 65 27 38 4
10/8/06 32 5 27 66 29 37 2
9/7/06 40 NA NA 55 NA NA 5
8/6/06 36 60 4
5/15/06 33 63 4
4/9/06 35 62 3

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Nancy Pelosi is handling her job as Speaker of the House?

Approve Disapprove No opinion
4/15/07 53 35 12
2/25/07 50 31 18
1/19/07 54 25 21

Compare to: Newt Gingrich
11/7/98* 38 58 4
7/12/98 41 44 15
5/12/98 41 44 15
1/19/98 40 52 7
4/24/97 26 62 12
3/9/97 33 61 7
9/15/96RV 39 54 7
1/7/96 30 61 8
11/19/95 27 65 8

Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling (ITEM)?

Approve Disapprove No opinion
a. The situation in Iraq 29 70 *
b. The economy 40 59 1
c. The US campaign against terrorism 44 53 3
d. Ethics in government 38 57 5
e. Immigration issues 33 64 4

Pelosi, Reid draw high approval ratings
04/18/2007
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House Speaker Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif., and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, D-Nev., drew relatively high approval ratings as they passed their 100-day mark as leaders of their chambers, according to the latest Washington Post-ABC News poll.

Pelosi had a job-approval rating of 53 percent, according to the nationwide survey of 1,141 adults. That's about where she was in January just after becoming speaker.

Reid came away with 46 percent approving of his leadership of the Senate and 33 percent disapproving.
Poll: High Hopes For New Congress
68% Are Optimistic About 110th Congress
, But Half Doubt Democrats And Bush http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2007/...0862.shtmlWill Cooperate

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Americans are generally optimistic about the new Democratic-controlled Congress that convened on Thursday, according to a CBS News poll. But half the public doubts that President Bush and the Democrats will be able to work together to get things done — including dealing with the situation in Iraq.

Sixty-eight percent of those polled said they had optimistic feelings about the 110th Congress, which will be led by Democrats for the first time in 12 years. Just 25 percent said they were pessimistic.

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What makes you think FDT doesn't want to run?

Thompson doesn't like to raise money, and has said so many times. In fact, it was one of the reasons he got out of the Senate. This upcoming campaign will take LOTS of money. He's already way behind in money and I don't think he has his heart in it.

He knows he's disliked by christian conservatives (which actually is a good reason to like him) and I just don't see the fire in him to run.

He has cancer, and I think he just wants to live his life without the rigors of office.

I could be wrong, but looking at him and listening to him, I don't see it. I think he's being pushed more than he actually wants to do it.
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I do not think all liberals are/have been "wankers." I will say that there hasn't been a "modern" liberal I have agreed with to any great extent. Based on what I know of President Kennedy I think that I would of been a huge supporter of his had I been alive during that era. Despite the fact that I would disagree with him on a great many things I can honestly say that he was a great American hero.
I think many liberals are wankers, I know a lot of them and they're wankers. Same goes for the conservatives I know. The latter though are also thick - I'm not attacking all conservatives, just the ones I know well.

I have to explain that when I present that for consideration I have a particular view of a stereotypical representation in my mind. We call them the "inner city latte-drinking chardonnay socialists" (I've included a couple of other statements of stereotype there to flesh out the concept). Of course that idea comes from our troglodyte Right here in Australia.

If I can use what might work as an analogy in the US (don't shoot me down if it's not quite right) but imagine Park Avenue, New York denizens labelling in a highly denigrating fashion the folks in SoHo (as in South of Houston) or perhaps in LA it might be - nah, my analogy won't work in LA, too many flakes in Beverly Hills to compare with Santa Monica (yes I know it's a separate city).

Anyway the power elite in our country, those who occupy the positions of power, privilege and influence, seek to hold onto their power by playing with the minds of the average (the term in use now is "aspirational") voters by ripping into the socially conscious, upwardly mobile, inner-city dwellers who are pretty well off financially without being super-wealthy but who have some regard for others.

I may see if I can pursue these thoughts in another thread to stop this one drifting off.

I remember being told about Kennedy's death. I was 13. To this day I can tell you exactly the circumstances in which I found out. I can describe the room I was in and the clothing worn by the person telling me what had happened. He was wearing a brown tie and tweed jacket. Regardless of everything else about JFK as far as his private life is concerned, he was a much loved president, the west loved him.

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Things must be different over there. "Honest politician” pretty much covers it here.


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You think you've got problems with your politicians. This is our Foreign Minister getting ready for Parliament.

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I think there is a lot to like about Thompson. I think he's wrong on a lot of his politics, but then again I would, I'm a bleeding-heart liberal. But I believe the man is honest and straight-forward.

However, people who want to be president don't usually take a back seat to other people who want to be president as Thompson did with McCain. I think Thompson just wants to live out his life in peace.

There are a shit-load of challenges waiting for whomever takes the seat from the worst president in American history, and that person will need their heart and soul in the job everyday.
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Huh?

What fact?

The claim isn't baseless. It ran in the WSJ. I have the paper at home.
The irony of claiming something is fact because it is in the paper aside, all we know is that people gave money to Fred Thomspons PAC, which employs Fred Thompsons son for consulting. You are claiming that makes Thomspon unclean, while I see nothing unusual.
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I live in Australia, but even I am aware that calling a Republican politician an "honest, right-thinking conservative" is a bit of an oxymoron!
Then you aren't too aware.
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He knows he's disliked by christian conservatives (which actually is a good reason to like him)
Can you cite something to back this up? I know many Christians that like this guy. In fact on a few christian message boards, there are many who would love to see him run.
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Can you cite something to back this up? I know many Christians that like this guy. In fact on a few christian message boards, there are many who would love to see him run.
Focus on the Family founder, James Dobson, appeared to throw cold water on a possible presidential bid by former Senator Fred Thompson. "Everyone knows that he's a conservative and has come out strongly for the things that the pro-family movement stands for", said Dobson of Thompson, "But I don't think he's a Christian, at least that's my impression". Focus on the Family spokesman, Gary Schneeberger stood by Dobson's claim. He said that, while Dobson didn't believe Thompson to be a member of a non-chistian faith, Dobson has never known Thompson to be a committed Christian, someone who talks openly about his faith.
--- US News and World Report, March 28, 2007

Dr. James Dobson disses Fred Thompson.

I've heard of other christian nutcases who have said the same thing, but I don't find documentation of that .. so I'll have to go with "some" christian nutcase leaders don't like him.

Perhaps they just want him to come and kiss their feet/ring/ass before they annoint him.

However, I don't see Thompson as an ass-kisser. Probably another reason why he doesn't have great fondness for politics.
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Just in case anyone is interested. It is a cinch that Jeb won't run: Know why???? Daddy doesn't think it is a good Idea. HEH HEH (He just said so on TV)
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Uh-huh, sure. Thompson is an after-thought and only brought up now because the rest of the republican field is so miserable.
That’s true, but then again, the Dems aren’t overjoyed with their picks either. We can’t really tell anything until after at least the first debate.

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He has an incurable form of cancer, indolent lymphoma .. and although I wish the dude no ill health his ability to run and remain president is questionable.
FDR had polio, but it didn’t keep the American public for electing him 4 times.

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I like his position on abortion, although I doubt the religious nutcases will.
"Government should stay out of it. No public financing. The ultimate decision must be made by the woman."
He may not be the first pick of some on the far right, but most will vote for him over the Democrat’s challenger. Only the far fringe will refuse to vote for him because of what they perceive to be his religious convictions, and they’re about as relevant as the Green party.

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Why thank you.

I'm known for my keen insight actually.
Really??? That’s quite surprising. Let’s look at the really stack up.

Poll Date Bush Approval Date Congressional Approval

RCP Average 04/09 - 04/18 35.4% 04/05 - 04/18 36.8%

FOX News 04/17 - 04/18 38% 04/17 - 04/18 35%

USA Today/Gallup 04/13 - 04/15 36% 04/02 - 04/05 33%

ABC News/Wash Post 04/12 - 04/15 35% 04/12 - 04/15 44%

CBS News 04/09 - 04/12 31% 04/09 - 04/12 34%

LA Times/Bloomberg 04/05 - 04/09 36% 04/05 - 04/09 34%

USA Today/Gallup 04/02 - 04/05 38% 04/02 - 04/05 33%

AP-Ipsos 04/02 - 04/04 35% 04/02 - 04/04 40%

Hotline/FD 03/29 - 04/01 35% 03/29 - 04/01 37%

RealClearPolitics - Polls

Do you honestly think an average of +1.4% is far better???

I do apologize for trying to use Rasmussen’s numbers, since their Congressional Approval numbers aren’t directly comparable to their Presidential Approval numbers. I forgot about Real Clear Politics, and Rasmussen was just the first poll that came to mind.

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Thompson doesn't like to raise money, and has said so many times. In fact, it was one of the reasons he got out of the Senate. This upcoming campaign will take LOTS of money. He's already way behind in money and I don't think he has his heart in it.
He’s definitely starting at a disadvantage on campaign funds, but he’s certainly doing well for someone who hasn’t spent a penny campaigning yet. He came in first, with more than double the votes, in a recent PA straw poll.

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He knows he's disliked by christian conservatives (which actually is a good reason to like him) and I just don't see the fire in him to run.
Maybe some on the far far fringe, but I think he’ll do alright without their votes, both of them.

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I could be wrong, but looking at him and listening to him, I don't see it. I think he's being pushed more than he actually wants to do it.
It sounds like he’s taking it fairly seriously.

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Fred Thompson is nearly ready to run for president, a prospect that would change the 2008 presidential race overnight. Revealing earlier this month that he has lymphoma in remission was a preparatory move, lowering the risk that the health issue might derail the campaign. His visit with Republican lawmakers this week to hear their thoughts on his running was also an indication that he is seriously inclined.
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That’s true, but then again, the Dems aren’t overjoyed with their picks either. We can’t really tell anything until after at least the first debate.
I don't think the dems are looking for anybody else. They are unqusetionably far more content with their field than the republicans.

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FDR had polio, but it didn’t keep the American public for electing him 4 times.
That's true.

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He may not be the first pick of some on the far right, but most will vote for him over the Democrat’s challenger. Only the far fringe will refuse to vote for him because of what they perceive to be his religious convictions, and they’re about as relevant as the Green party.
True again.

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Really??? That’s quite surprising. Let’s look at the really stack up.

Poll Date Bush Approval Date Congressional Approval

RCP Average 04/09 - 04/18 35.4% 04/05 - 04/18 36.8%

FOX News 04/17 - 04/18 38% 04/17 - 04/18 35%

USA Today/Gallup 04/13 - 04/15 36% 04/02 - 04/05 33%

ABC News/Wash Post 04/12 - 04/15 35% 04/12 - 04/15 44%

CBS News 04/09 - 04/12 31% 04/09 - 04/12 34%

LA Times/Bloomberg 04/05 - 04/09 36% 04/05 - 04/09 34%

USA Today/Gallup 04/02 - 04/05 38% 04/02 - 04/05 33%

AP-Ipsos 04/02 - 04/04 35% 04/02 - 04/04 40%

Hotline/FD 03/29 - 04/01 35% 03/29 - 04/01 37%

RealClearPolitics - Polls

Do you honestly think an average of +1.4% is far better???
Any poll that has Bush in the mid 40's is questionable in my opinon.

The reality is that Bush is not a popular president and even republicans distanced themselves from him during the election. MCain has tied his wagon to him .. which is one reason his poll numbers have suffered.

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I do apologize for trying to use Rasmussen’s numbers, since their Congressional Approval numbers aren’t directly comparable to their Presidential Approval numbers. I forgot about Real Clear Politics, and Rasmussen was just the first poll that came to mind.
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He’s definitely starting at a disadvantage on campaign funds, but he’s certainly doing well for someone who hasn’t spent a penny campaigning yet. He came in first, with more than double the votes, in a recent PA straw poll.
Possible, but if he's so enamored by McCain and he comes out talking like McCain, I think his star may fade like McCain. If he comes out gung-ho on this war, I have no doubt that his star will fade.

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It sounds like he’s taking it fairly seriously.
Possible, but he doesn't look or sound like a guy whose heart is in it. In some regard, I feel a bit sorry for him. He seems to be pushed in a direction he doesn't really want to go.

Only time will tell
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