LOL! I hadnt realized how that could be interpreted when i wrote it

Somehow i think you have a pretty good idea what my opinion is of Chomsky.

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In case you were wondering, yes, there really ARE more idiots these days....technology has made natural selection obsolete.

Silence is golden...Duct tape is silver.

What is stopping you and other liberals from getting the federal government to start a national Higher Optional Tax (H.O.T.)? A H.O.T. is where people can volutarily give more each week via their taxes from their paychecks. 3 states already have a H.O.T. so it could be done nationally.

If you claim to care as much as you say you do, then start a grassroots movement to get a H.O.T. for socialized medicine for people with no insurance.



I will always give you and other libs the "socialized medicine" argument because the government running it will screw it up. Just look at the public school system.

By the way, a big part of medicine costs are due to malpractice insurace and costs. And do you know that most of the lawyers who score big bucks on suing doctors donate way more to dems than to reps?

Regarding GM, part of the problem is high health care insurance, high wages, and unions. Another part of the problem is failing to build smaller and efficient cars and bad managment.

The General Welfare clause was never intended to mean taking money from working people and handing it out to others based on their life decisions. Do I need to post a quote from one of the founders that says this wasn't the intent???

Kramer

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TheNation, June 7, 2007

But he's not a Communist.

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You were saved by judicious use of a comma Eric - ten out of ten for good punctuation

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"There were no D-Day Heroes in 1973" - Cold Chisel Khe Sanh

[QUOTE]Actually it will not improve quality. Moreover it will only shift most of the payments from the backs of the GM's of the world and focus them onto the American taxpayer. The costs will still have to get paid by someone. Moreover the average citizen looses all control over the quality of care he or she recieves. Sorry but there has to be another way.

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He most certainly is.

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"I am sick and tired of people who say that if you debate and you disagree with this administration somehow you're not patriotic." - Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton April 28th, 2003

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[QUOTE=Gort;968995]You mindlessly repeat the Pharmaceutical lobby's talking points just like a good little stenographer as if they're self-evident truth. Do you work for them? Or are you just apallingly gullible?

Prove ANY part of that paragraph. Any part. And I don't merely mean link to an article that parrots the same indefensible balderdash. I mean prove that it is, in fact, the truth.

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"AP Poll: Congress Approval Up"

I think that about says it all...

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"Tomorrow, you're all going to wake up in a Brave New World, a world where the Constitution gets trampled by an army of terrorist clones created in a stem cell research laboratory, run by homosexual doctors who sterilize their instruments over burning American flags."

[QUOTE=Gort;968995]if you measure health care by outcomes, you'll notice the 40 countries that have better health care than the US all have socialized health care.
The US however is number one in the important category of cost per capita.

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Adam Smith , The Wealth of Nations 1776

"We have always known that heedless self-interest was bad morals; we know now that it is bad economics"
FDR's second Inaugural Address

Capitalism isn't a form of government. Unfortunatly Republicans tend to put governmnet below capitalism, which is why we find ourselves where we are today; fighting a war for profit, disaster relief for profit, and a government for profit. Problem is that profit is going to a very few, at the cost of people's lives, and the properity of future generations.

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-Thomas Jefferson

If you are referring preventive maintenance there may be truth to that, but if you are talking about coping with a serious illness or surgery, you are fucked if you live in a country with socialized health care. The waiting lists for simple things like getting an MRI done are obscene. I can walk into my doctor's office today and have an MRI done tomorrow if I need it. In Canada, I'll wait six weeks. I posted this in another thread about a week ago about Britain's system:

What these politicians and many other Americans fail to understand is that there's a big difference between universal coverage and actual access to medical care.

Is that what you want, Goober? You want people getting denied the surgeries they need and suffering with chronic pain?

As has been pointed out ad nauseum, there is a reason why thousands of foreigners come to the U.S. every year for their medical needs and not to the countries with socialized medicine. If the socialist medical care is so much better, then why are they coming here?

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Carolina Politics Online

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[QUOTE=Angel Of Mercy;969056]OK genius you tell us how a government run program is going to be paid for. See if you can do so without the adhominem attacks this time. I have avoided that with you up to now but if you insist on keeping up with them I am perfectly able to stay with you attack for attack. Your choice.

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The universe grows smaller every day and the threat of aggression by any group anywhere can no longer be tolerated. There must be security for all or no one is secure... - Klaatu

Good news for America.

Not only has America moved to the Left, so has the Republican Party.

Now they rests their hopes in 2008 on near-liberal Rudy Guillani and no hard core right-wing republican has a ghost of a chance of winning the nomination.

Americans have never voted for a hard core conservative. Bush certainly wasn't one and Reagan for all his talk was a pragmatist that talked like a hard core conservative.

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