IMO Hilgary is fake. She is bringing it up just to try and sway votes, nothing more.
In my view; Hilgary is nothing more than the devil holding the apple.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

for the record after re reading my post i was not inferring that people on the left are not religious....my intent was to say it seems to be a subject not too popular with the progressive line of thinking, but you would be right in the end i geuss the left like the right will go with whatever wins just to beat the other guys

I for one will be just as scathingly critical of any politician who relies on religion to get votes.

Wait a second, i thought faith was supposed to keep marriages together? Now we have faith helping people deal with fucked up marriages....

Whatever. The fact is you cant be the president of the USA unless you also pretend to talk to god. Its actually very dangerous.

Andrew

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Ethanol is a fabulous solution to our energy dilemma because it will provide more fuel for us to drive around and look for food.

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Actually, I think she was asked a direct question in a conversation about faith. Hard not to answer without talking about religion. I'm not a Hilary fan, but there are people on both sides with strong faith.

Generally speaking, they are seldom politicians.

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And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, Jan. 29, 2007

I think all the God talk by democratic nominees is part of a concerted effort to take religion back from the right. Ever since Reagan's success in pandering to the bible belt, it has been axiomatic in political discourse that only republicans believe in god. Every day I read posts here that equate belief in church/state seperation with godlessness. I see claims that "activist" judges, teachers, and journalists are anti christian. And of course the ACLU is bent on wiping out christianity at the earliest possible moment.

It is obvious that there are many democrats - and many liberals - who feel faith in god and membership in a church is a large part of their life. There are also many religious people who have voted for republicans in recent years who feel they have been played by the republican party. They were promised an end to abortion and got tax breaks for the wealthy. They were promised government sanctions against homosexuals and got war in Iraq. They were promised prayer in schools and got the gutting of open government laws. They got their anti-abortion and anti-gay justices but it turns out those justices are also anti-worker. The leading republican candidate for '08 is pro choice and romney is so recent a convert that his sympathies are suspect.

For all these reasons this is the perfect time (politically) for democratic politicians to emphasize their own faith and break up the republican monopoly. If they can succeed in doing so they could knock a leg out from under the republicans for the foreseeable future. While the abortion issue will still keep many single issue christian voters in the red, the emergence of pro choice republicans as well as the smattering of pro life democrats (most recently Bob Casey who took Rick Santorum's senate seat) will make this less of a black and white choice.

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Louis D. Brandeis - First Jewish Supreme Court Justice

Nice analysis. I also believe there has always been a strong religious left, and a strong religious center. I assume that each candidate is capable of true faith, then judge on what they consider a moral position - what they have done and promise to do.

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And there is distrust in Washington. I am surprised, frankly, at the amount of distrust that exists in this town. And I'm sorry it's the case, and I'll work hard to try to elevate it." --George W. Bush, Jan. 29, 2007

I would hazard, actually, that the left wing, what with talk of equality and social justice etc. has a better claim to Christianity than the right wing. But that's speculative opinion at best.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

I don't really think it matters who it comes from (I dislike both Hilary and Bush). I don't care who believes in what god, but I personally want god to stay away from my government.

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[quote=Josepha;1008686]My mistake then.

Can't argue that.

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Anyone who thinks freedom comes cheap, please put the blindfold on and stand against the wall.

Many times I believe Americans will have to take back the country and start a new government.

If even that.

I think our constitution should be held in greater reverence, than any religious faith that would try to circumvent it.

Amen to that. The problem with religion in politics is that religion usually tries to tell people how to live their life. That's all good and fine, but people try to pass laws that force their religious morals on others. We aren't all followers of the same religion or any religion, and we shouldn't have our government make personal decisions for us such as bans on gay marriage and abortion, especially when the government is basing those decisions on religious views, religious views not held by the entire population. Religion in politics is failure to protect the rights of the minority, and is therefore failure to uphold one of the major values of the democratic process.

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brother i totally disagree

when air america talks of atheism and runs ads for it

and all the talk on demo underground in reference to religion

and this board

and the liberals i talk to daily at work

no , i dont think either party holds the CHristian claim period

Naw, you misunderstand what I mean. I'm not saying that today's American Liberals are carrying the torch of Christianity or anything, but I think that if a left-wing Christian and a right-wing Christian were to try to justify their actions through their religion, the left-wing Christian would have more of a basis, point for point.

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"Blessed are the peacemakers: for they shall be called the children of God."
Matthew 5:9

I dead-on agree with you. NO party has any right or claim to religion, and for people to think so if just absurd. There are many religious people in the Democratic party and just as many non-religious people in the Republican party. Also, as I've stated many times on this Board, it takes a lot more to be a religious person than simply calling yourself one.