Originally Posted by Steve

My daughter and her friends all fall into that same demographic.

I listen to these kids talk all the time, and I truly believe that a GOP candidate could walk on water, institute a flat-tax, end war, and cure cancer and my daughter and her friends still wouldn't vote for him...

Originally Posted by Steve

I see it just the opposite.

It's tragic when someone decides to vote for someone based on the letter in parentheses that shows up after his name. If a Democrat were to burn live babies in the town square while juggling dying puppies, my daughter and her friends would still vote for that person, simply because the person is a Democrat.

To be fair, I also know plenty of Republicans who would rather dig their own eyes out with a shit-coated spoon before voting for a Democrat, regardless of the good things the Democrat may have done.

My father in law is one of them.

An old Junior High School teacher of mine is now a politician in New York, and a Democrat. When I was telling my father in law about him, he seemed genuinely interested in what the guy had done, and in what he was doing. My father in law seemed impressed right up until the point when I told him the guy was a Democrat. In an instant, the favorable opinions he had were instantly cast aside, and were replaced with rants about a guy he'd never even heard about until that day.

I see that from both sides, though. It's nothing new and, sadly, is something which isn't likely to change any time soon...

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Kind of hard for the Repub candidates to appear 'hip'. But here's there chance and they're opting out.

Perhaps their total lack of effort to reach out to young voters is what's disconnecting them from America's younger generation.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Perhaps their total lack of effort to reach out to young voters is what's disconnecting them from America's younger generation.

Originally Posted by TheLastBoyScout

Kind of hard for the Repub candidates to appear 'hip'. But here's there chance and they're opting out.

Originally Posted by AjaxPress

Aren't you the guy who finds it hard to believe that a liberal would ever vote for a paleoconservative/libertarian?

Originally Posted by Steve

Given the choice of that person or a Democrat, no, I don't believe a liberal would vote for him...

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

You clearly don't understand liberals - or are using that bizarre American definition of liberalism here.

Real liberals are the backbone of both the Republican party and the Democratic party - and I'd venture to say that you will find more than a few real liberals in that US Libertarian party too (and in the Green party) and most certainly as 'independents'.

To reject liberalism is to reject the rule of law, to reject the principle of democracy, to reject the idea of equality before the law, to reject the principle of free market economy, to reject the principle of free trade and to reject the principle of meritocracy. This is just a short list of core liberal principles.

The American rightwing/partisan definition of liberalism is pure propaganda with no basis in reality. A socialist is a socialist. You can't pretend that socialists are liberals just because you don't like either of them.

Originally Posted by Steve

I'd be real interested in knowing which part of my statement you thought was partisan.

Thanks so much...

Originally Posted by Steve

Given the choice of that person or a Democrat, no, I don't believe a liberal would vote for him...

Originally Posted by goober

I live in Massachusetts, I can safely say that even if I spend election day in bed, the Electoral votes of Massachusetts will be delivered to the Democratic nominee, whoever that may be.

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

As you wish...

This very statement requires that you use a rightwing partisan definition of liberal (i.e. liberal = socialist) in order to make your point.

If one doesn't accept/share your rightwing/partisan definition of liberal, then your statement makes no sense at all. Ergo, the statement is entirely partisan.

Originally Posted by White Rabbit

If one doesn't accept/share your rightwing/partisan definition of liberal, then your statement makes no sense at all.

Originally Posted by Traveler

Indeed same for me, whoever i vote for TX is only gonna go one way, and that's red. I guess i have a duty to vote...but i really don't see the point! Like you my state is already a forgone conclusion.