People always seem to forget that it's not an either-or with Musharraff and the Islamists.

There is a strong, and growing, secular opposition to Musharraf. They would make good allies.

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Which would be what? And how would that be any different to Iraq?

But the secularists won't get elected, not in my opinion anyway. Abuto even got the religious vote to secure her party's victory and then her taking over the leadership from her father.

From the reports I have heard al-Qaeda sent people to Iraq because they suddenly had a target close by. A great number in Iraq are actually foreign fighters rather than locals according to most intelligence estimates although the insurgency itself is local. They say the biggest attacks are al-Qaeda which is mostly foreign to Iraq although they probably had some small amount present before.

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"Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!"

Not as long as we keep kissing Musharaff's ass anyway. :roll:

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Gospel of Thomas

and no matter how many times you spin it Clinton came right out and said refused to take BL into custody because he didn't have the 'legal' authority to do so.

Varus

Well yea, if all we do is have 200,000 troops there, but those 200,000 troops would provide the peace and stability to rebuild Afghanistan, with: hospitals, schools, universities, museums, banks, clean drinking water, reliable electric power, paved roads and highways, shopping malls, sports facilities, recreation facilities, etc...

We have an opportunity to actually facilitate a model of nation building in Afghanistan. But with the Iraq albatross around our necks, and money seemingly being more important than people, peace and stability will continue to be a dream.

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Big Number of 2008
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Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

Damn laws

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

The Soviet's didn't have wide spread support among the indigenous population, hardly a valid comparison.

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Big Number of 2008
8,217,246
Obama's Margin of Victory

"Shake off all the fears of servile prejudices, under which weak minds are servilely crouched. Fix reason firmly in her seat, and call on her tribunal for every fact, every opinion. Question with boldness even the existence of a God; because, if there be one, he must more approve of the homage of reason than that of blindfolded fear."

-Thomas Jefferson

So, when he breaks the law, that's bad.

When he doesn't break the law, that's bad too.

Fascinating.

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Staun ma groon al nae be afraid
Thoughts awe hame tak awa ma fear
Sweat an bluid hide ma veil awe tears

Clinton made several attempts to kill BL. on some occasions reports have BL fleeing the target just minutes before the cruise missiles came. Hard to kill a man whose family has such close ties to a former US President, The only former President who exercises his right to timely intelligence docs on covert strategies.

That chestnut has been debunked already. Shame on you for resuscitating it.

Media Matters - Hannity again falsely claimed Sudan offered bin Laden to Clinton

As I've just pointed out, that story is indeed untrue.

Clinton himself admits to it, and the Sudanese government has always stood by its offer to hand Bin Laden to us when they had him 10 years ago.

Neither do we...we may have slightly more support than they did but they're not exactly singing in the streets and its not "wide spread". We were doing very well in Afghanistan and maybe now that we've hung around there too long maybe the people there have turned on us a little and maybe have started to harbor the Taliban again.

I think the difference between the perception of us and the Soviets are twofold:

One is mainly that we're not going in to occupy Afghanistan forever, we plan on helping them to take control of their own country where as the Soviets went in to expand their evil empire and make Afghanistan a part of the Soviet Union.

Secondly we were attacked by people harbored in Afghanistan so in their (the Afghan people's) eyes maybe we were justified in taking out the Taliban and going after Al Qaeda, plus they themselves weren't thrilled with the Taliban who came in after years if civil war, which all came about in the first place due to the communist puppet the Soviets put in who was hung in public during the civil war.

However for all we've done for them they don't want us there forever, putting 200 000 troops in there would make them turn on us.