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Old 08-02-2007
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Where is the willingness on the part of Pakistan to pull the rug out from under the Taliban?

IMO, treaties are good for press coverage but damn little else.
They can't. Musharraf lives in a glass house and attempts at subduing Pakistan tribal support for Taliban, both Islamic fundamentalists, would be tantamount to throwing a rock. Musharraf has already declared US occupation of Afghanistan a failed campaign, as has most of the rest of the world including NATO who refuses to commit more resources to control maybe 15% of Afghanistan.
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Isn't the US running into yet another roadblock in it's assumed role of world policeman by refusing to recognize/accept tribal affiliations between two countries based on heritage and religious beliefs? That combination has proved impossible to defeat with conventional warfare.
The USA claims the role of policeman. The USA demands the role of policeman. The USA creates the role of policeman. Nobody really wants this besides the USA. They are the only ones who believe one is
necessary and they believe that they are the only ones qualified.

And yes, I agree. The trans-border region of south-eastern Afghanistan and north-western Pakistan (Waziristan) is one cultural region. This is problematic. And it is doubly so for being connected and related to Eastern Turkey as well (the Pushkins).

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US ME 'allies' are all undemocratic, linked by tribal and religious bonds. The harder the US pushes its Shia puppet government in Iraq the more the predominantly Sunni ME resists doing US bidding.
Israel? Turkey? These are both US allies and both are democratic and certainly not connected by tribal and religious bonds.

As for Sunni/Shiite, the USA upset the balance on that applecart in the ME. It could take decades for a new balance to be established.
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The USA claims the role of policeman. The USA demands the role of policeman. The USA creates the role of policeman. Nobody really wants this besides the USA. They are the only ones who believe one is
necessary and they believe that they are the only ones qualified.
Prior to the Bush regime, transnationalism has stood in support of the US extension of power, no?
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They can't. Musharraf lives in a glass house and attempts at subduing Pakistan tribal support for Taliban, both Islamic fundamentalists, would be tantamount to throwing a rock. Musharraf has already declared US occupation of Afghanistan a failed campaign, as has most of the rest of the world including NATO who refuses to commit more resources to control maybe 15% of Afghanistan.
I agree but would go even further and say that the proposition that Pakistan is a US ally is preposterous.
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Israel? Turkey? These are both US allies and both are democratic and certainly not connected by tribal and religious bonds.
Bought and paid for allies, as are all of our ME allies. And neither allow US military forces to be stationed in their countries. Turkey refused to allow US military aircraft to use their US constructed bases for the invasion of Iraq.

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As for Sunni/Shiite, the USA upset the balance on that applecart in the ME. It could take decades for a new balance to be established.
Agreed. The Sauds, in a show of defiance to US foreign policy, have already made overtures to Iran, knowing Iran will eventually influence Iraq to a great degree and consequently Iraqi Sunni. US colonial style occupation is not well accepted by any of the ME Islamic countries, them having already been down that road.
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Bought and paid for allies, as are all of our ME allies.
Turkey is a bought and paid for ally?

I don't see much grounds to continue this discussion.
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I agree but would go even further and say that the proposition that Pakistan is a US ally is preposterous.
Much of what current US administration considers foreign policy is preposterous and without any sound base.
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Pakistan = a 3.6 million-soldier Army, NUclear Weapons. And for all the instability in their government, in which the leader practically has his hands tied and faces mutiny and insurrection on a daily basis for cooperating at all with the USA..... they have been tremendous allies. Without air support / their air-space, we would be fucked.

You need to understand...on the face it appears they "are not our allies" because they cannot quell the Taliban. Newflash. The Taliban have seats on the parliament and want the leader dead. If Pakistan were not cooperating in regard to use of their ground and their air, we would TRULY, 100% be FUCKED in the Middle East right now.

Nice idea. Invade a country with a HUGE fucking Army, an instable government, and fucking nukes. Makes Iraq look like a Nintendo game.

And you libs are pissed about IRAQ?

Talk about a fucking nightmare...

All to roam in their mountain ranges and look for bands of Taliban.

Brilliant!

Retard.
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Pakistan = a 3.6 million-soldier Army, NUclear Weapons. And for all the instability in their government, in which the leader practically has his hands tied and faces mutiny and insurrection on a daily basis for cooperating at all with the USA..... they have been tremendous allies. Without air support / their air-space, we would be fucked.

You need to understand...on the face it appears they "are not our allies" because they cannot quell the Taliban. Newflash. The Taliban have seats on the parliament and want the leader dead. If Pakistan were not cooperating in regard to use of their ground and their air, we would TRULY, 100% be FUCKED in the Middle East right now.

Nice idea. Invade a country with a HUGE fucking Army, an instable government, and fucking nukes. Makes Iraq look like a Nintendo game.

And you libs are pissed about IRAQ?

Talk about a fucking nightmare...

All to roam in their mountain ranges and look for bands of Taliban.

Brilliant!

Retard.
We should invade Ethiopia - We could do it no problem and just to say "we won" - That will boost popularity in the polls and gain more support to do other worthy stuff - But we need to make up an excuse first.
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We should invade Ethiopia - We could do it no problem and just to say "we won" - That will boost popularity in the polls and gain more support to do other worthy stuff - But we need to make up an excuse first.
Well, fighting tyrants and jihadists doesn't seem to be the right thing, maybe we should try overthrowing republics instead.
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We should invade Ethiopia - We could do it no problem and just to say "we won" - That will boost popularity in the polls and gain more support to do other worthy stuff - But we need to make up an excuse first.
That is so, like, six months ago.
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Give a country oil and a tyrant and you got yourself a WMD treasure hunt.
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The Soviet's didn't have wide spread support among the indigenous population, hardly a valid comparison.
its not a comparison it is the reasoning behind why we did what we did
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That's right...oh the poor libs who can they support now



Obama might send troops into Pakistan - Yahoo! News

Fortunately democrats know no one takes what they say seriously so they can pretty much say anything and not be called out by the media.

Varus
well i finally saw this yesterday on the news

and i agree with him, i think he is right, and i actually think if we did go in to western pakistan and do some skull crushing things would be better

it is where AQ lives and it is where we should be
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Old 08-05-2007
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All to roam in their mountain ranges and look for bands of Taliban.

Brilliant!

Retard.

Mmmm... Where would I then hide if I was a terrorist... mmmmm....

Maybe not so much a retard.

Sounds like you were trying to take the easy way out with Iraq.
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