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Re: Obama the warmonger

I don't see how invading yet another region with our military is going to improve anything at all. Obama would seem a better candidate IMO if he started talking about changing our methods of security rather than extending our already failing military tactics.
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Re: Obama the warmonger

Obama has been pretty consistent that he would not have invaded Iraq and that he thought it was an illegal war but he had not said the same about Afghanistan and the correlation should be made with Afghanistan and not with Iraq. Actully if Obama would have said stay out of Pakistan then he would have been two faced. I think he is being consistent.
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Re: Obama the warmonger

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Obama has been pretty consistent that he would not have invaded Iraq and that he thought it was an illegal war but he had not said the same about Afghanistan and the correlation should be made with Afghanistan and not with Iraq. Actully if Obama would have said stay out of Pakistan then he would have been two faced. I think he is being consistent.
I'd like to think you were right, but I don't think so.

Yes Obama opposed the US invasion of Iraq for all the right reasons.

However, Obama is now supporting the idea of a (allegedly limited) US invasion of Pakistan and that is even more stupid and dangerous than the US invasion of Iraq. On this basis, the thread title is correct. Obama is talking the talk of a warmonger.

And Edwards is supporting the idea of a US invasion of Iran. Another warmonger.

Looks to me like the only sane one in the race is Hillary.
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Looks to me like the only sane one in the race is Hillary.
Hillary voted for the Iraq war. This would appear to disqualify her under that standard you are applying to Obama and Edwards.

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The Pakistani gov't doesn't have the willingness to stop the border transgressions that are allowing the Taliban resurgence; but then, it should also be noted that the US gov't doesn't have the willingness to force the issue, which makes me wonder what the US objective in Afghanistan really is these days.
I don't know if the Pakistani government has the means to physically stop the border transgressions. We're talking about some remote, harsh terrain here.

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Hillary voted for the Iraq war. This would appear to disqualify her under that standard you are applying to Obama and Edwards.

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No. Hillary voted to authorize the President to use his discretion on Iraq. Slight difference.

Counseling a US invasion of Pakistan or Iran is categorically a far more dangerous and irresponsible course of action.
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I don't know if the Pakistani government has the means to physically stop the border transgressions. We're talking about some remote, harsh terrain here.

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They categorically do not. Waziristan has always been outside the control of the Pakistani government.

Indeed, if you look at the history of the British Raj, this region has never been under control of anyone save the locals.
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