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Re: Obama fires back at foreign policy critics

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If he had already won the Democratic nomination and this was for the general election, I'd say he was after votes. But since this seems like the sort of thing that can only hurt his chances in the primary, I'm inclined to suspect that this is his actual stance.
Agreed. That's what is so scary.

Hasn't the USA suffered enough with a foreign policy neophyte as President?
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The activist wing of the Democratic party that is most likely to vote in the primaries contains the most strident anti-war types. There's no way Obama can be appealing to that set with this rhetoric.

In my mind, he's lurching back and forth like an amateur here. His last foreign policy exchange caused him to look weak and too liberal, agreeing to meet with Fidel and Kim without any preconditions and whatnot. So now Obama swings the pendulum to the opposite side and errs on the side of looking too much the warmonger and anti-liberal.

These are common foreign policy errors coming from a neophyte.

Obama is out of his league here. He should stick to his nice warm and fuzzy speeches that make people feel good. That appears to be his principal talent.
Yeah he seems to have shot himself in both feet at the same time! He has angered both the left and right of his party (i know it sounds like an oxymoron but there Bue Dog Dems) and from having had the position of opposing the war all along he has failed not only to maintain on that but fall apart completely when it comes to gaining on Hillary.

After all this there's no way i can see Hillary can pick him as the VP.
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Yeah he seems to have shot himself in both feet at the same time! He has angered both the left and right of his party (i know it sounds like an oxymoron but there Bue Dog Dems) and from having had the position of opposing the war all along he has failed not only to maintain on that but fall apart completely when it comes to gaining on Hillary.
Blue Dog Dems are pro-corporate.

The rightwing of the Democratic party on foreign policy is the DLC (Clinton wing).

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After all this there's no way i can see Hillary can pick him as the VP.
There is no way Hillary would pick Obama as VP since Obama brings NOTHING to balance the ticket. Obama appeals to many of the same people Hillary is already strong with and potentially, Obama has to cross the blackman hurdle - Tennessee 2006 suggests that a black man on the ticket is a potential issue in itself.

If Hillary wins the Democratic nomination, for a VP Hillary ought to pick a white male with strong military credentials, preferably from the South. Wesley Clark I think would be perfect.
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Re: Obama fires back at foreign policy critics

Yup i agree, wither him or Biden, but definately a white male, has to be.

As for the DLC i was thinking about writing them instead of the Blue Dogs but there's hardly nybody left in the DLC, not one of the Presidential candidates bothered to go to their convention last week.
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Hasn't the USA suffered enough with a foreign policy neophyte as President?
Suffered?
I'm an American and I suffered squat......In fact I'm sure that if our foreign policy were as bad as people bitch about, people around the world would truly be suffering a great deal more.

Everyone loves us when we have an open wallet and such, but damn they sure do bitch about us.
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As for the DLC i was thinking about writing them instead of the Blue Dogs but there's hardly nybody left in the DLC, not one of the Presidential candidates bothered to go to their convention last week.
Bill and Hillary Clinton are the DLC. After those 'bright lights' the DLC is little more than Kilgore, Carvelle and Penn.
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Re: Obama fires back at foreign policy critics

No, Bill was a part of the DLC when the Dems were still not full of a base of Move on and the Daily KOS.

Not anymore though, Hillary snubbed going to the DLC a couple of weeks ago and rather went to the Daily KOS convention.
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Bill and Hillary Clinton are the DLC. After those 'bright lights' the DLC is little more than Kilgore, Carvelle and Penn.
Bright lights?

It was those "bright lights" that helped get us where we are today? No I'm not talking of good times.
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I like Obama's stance on this, but is he serious or is he just looking for votes.
I think he's just looking for votes.
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No, Bill was a part of the DLC when the Dems were still not full of a base of Move on and the Daily KOS.
Your cardboard cut-out views of the internal workings of the Democratic Party don't necessarily accord with reality.

Btw, there was quite a bit of satire in the blogosphere over the mass media's application of "the" Daily Kos. That's silly and betrays a complete unfamiliarity with the institution in question. Get with the 21st century.

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Not anymore though, Hillary snubbed going to the DLC a couple of weeks ago and rather went to the Daily KOS convention.
Hilliary is many things - stupid isn't one of them.

She is probably the most professional of all the candidates running. It would take an idiot to choose some DLC event over the YearlyKos convention, no matter what your politics are. Hillary's performance at the convention was superb - many were impressed with her bravery in just showing up there.

Hillary is not popular with the Kossacks who are diehard Edwards fans and strongly anti-DLC. And Hillary held her own there without pandering and without alienating. That is an impressive combination.

Btw, the DLC lost a great deal of credibility in 2006 when they were on the wrong side of success.
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Your cardboard cut-out views of the internal workings of the Democratic Party don't necessarily accord with reality.
Ah here we go...i was wondering how long it would take for you, being a Canadian to start lecturing others on the workings of intenal American affairs (just to proove your point in the would/Could you run thread wrong). Took you all of 5 minutes.

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Btw, there was quite a bit of satire in the blogosphere over the mass media's application of "the" Daily Kos. That's silly and betrays a complete unfamiliarity with the institution in question. Get with the 21st century.
Who was that aimed at? I haven't said anything about the Daily Kos's bloggers and don't particularly care.
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Ah here we go...i was wondering how long it would take for you, being a Canadian to start lecturing others on the workings of intenal American affairs (just to proove your point in the would/Could you run thread wrong). Took you all of 5 minutes.
I don't converse with those who talk trash.

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Good thinking, saves me having to put you on ignore, thanks.
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The activist wing of the Democratic party that is most likely to vote in the primaries contains the most strident anti-war types. There's no way Obama can be appealing to that set with this rhetoric.

In my mind, he's lurching back and forth like an amateur here. His last foreign policy exchange caused him to look weak and too liberal, agreeing to meet with Fidel and Kim without any preconditions and whatnot. So now Obama swings the pendulum to the opposite side and errs on the side of looking too much the warmonger and anti-liberal.

These are common foreign policy errors coming from a neophyte.

Obama is out of his league here. He should stick to his nice warm and fuzzy speeches that make people feel good. That appears to be his principal talent.
i agree with u on most of the things but i think obama's call to talk to dictators is not that bad, not taking the diplomatic route landed us in mess in iraq, can US repeat the same mistake??

now obama is clashing with mccain on syria, read here


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Re: Obama fires back at foreign policy critics

Obama isn't saying anything that controversial. What he's supposedto say is, "I wouldn't take any option off the table" or "Every aspect of diplomacy should be exhausted". He's not being politically correct and that won't affect anything in terms of votes. People like him and he's still got untapped upside in mainstream America. Obama will get through this just fine.
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