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Strider · #16 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007

Oh for crying out loud...

Hillary is, if anything, more of a pragamtist than her husband. When she talks, you can practically see her triangulating.

erikvv · #17 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007

If Hillary is far left then giuliani must be at least moderate left. Look how close their plans are on iraq, education, gay mariage, abortion, taxes.

Stop fooling yourselves and watch through the rethoric. If you want to see far left you have to look a lot further than hillary.

MattLarson · #18 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by goober

He also wrote an op-ed piece in 2004, that told how great we were doing in Iraq, how the Iraqi Army and Police force were ready to shoulder the burden and that Victory was around the corner, a piece that was very convenient for the Bush campaign to use to refute Kerry's claim that the war was being mismanaged, was he being political then, or was his brilliant military mind just misreading the facts?

And yet for some reason the senate Dems (save for those who were absent) voted unanimously to confirm him.

Hmmm.

Let's review....

Quote:

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So let me make sure I have this straight. In 2004, according to Goober, Petraeus was a political hack, misleading everyone at the expose of poor Jonh Kerry.

But on January 26, 2007, every single Democratic Senator present voted to confirm him.

Including Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barak Obama.

So were all the Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate duped, or just stupid?

Or, could it be that Goober's partisan claims are just nonsense? Apparently his favored party's Senate contingent thinks so.....

Matt

jotathought · #19 (**permalink**) 09-15-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattLarson

And yet for some reason the senate Dems (save for those who were absent) voted unanimously to confirm him.

Hmmm.

Let's review....

So let me make sure I have this straight. In 2004, according to Goober, Petraeus was a political hack, misleading everyone at the expose of poor Jonh Kerry.

But on January 26, 2007, every single Democratic Senator present voted to confirm him.

Including Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barak Obama.

So were all the Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate duped, or just stupid?

Or, could it be that Goober's partisan claims are just nonsense? Apparently his favored party's Senate contingent thinks so.....

Matt

Excellent retort Matt. I posted almost the identical response in another thread .. not only did they unanimously confirm him, but these very same Senators started character assassination before the report was released.

WPK · #20 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Who

With Hillary's shameful slam of a decorated war hero, the man she voted to bring this report, all but calling him a liar, is there no doubt where her allegiance stands. She sided with Moveon.org instead of acknowledging, even in the slightest, that we are making progress in Iraq. This can do nothing but help the Republicans. Who should we believe? A politician proven to be a pathological liar standing next to a far left organization that states they "bought and paid for" the Democratic party and resorts to third grade name calling or the General both Democrats and Republicans chose to give them the assessment?

Hillary made a grave political error. She may or may not believe what she said. She's probably more afraid of Moveon than the electorate but we all know she is playing to her base who vote in primaries and will get her the nomination. However, the Republicans are not going to let this one go and will use it to their benefit. It will be interesting to see what the polls show and if her comments don't work to her favor, watch her backpedal.

Didn't you Dems want the President to start bringing the troops home anyway? All but the most ign'ant know that we can't do it all at once. So now you have what you claimed you wanted. That's not good enough? It seems that the Dems want the troops home but only if they have a hand in it. Otherwise it is not a political victory for them. Another one snatched by Bush. Dang, you guys keep getting beaten by an "idiot".

How does the democrat party, of whom "all" retorically state that they support our troops, yet at the same time, are capable of supporting a disgraceful add from Moveon.org against the 4-star general that is in command of 150 thousand American troops in Iraq?

The hypocricy is in our face. Democrats are notorious for stating they support the troops, but statements from their leadership, or in this case, no statement at all, show us that they do not.

Not one single democrat candidate has come out & blasted Moveon.org for that add. Why? BECAUSE THEY ALL GET MONEY FROM MOVEON.ORG. All the democrat candidates, including Hillary, are scared to death to say anything against moveon.org.

WPK · #21 (**permalink**) 09-17-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by erikvv

If Hillary is far left then giuliani must be at least moderate left. Look how close their plans are on iraq, education, gay mariage, abortion, taxes.

Stop fooling yourselves and watch through the rethoric. If you want to see far left you have to look a lot further than hillary.

Well, I don't think you need to look further than the "forced" health care plan that she proposed today.

erikvv · #22 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by WPK

Well, I don't think you need to look further than the "forced" health care plan that she proposed today.

So obligatory health insurance makes someone far left?

White Rabbit · #23 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattLarson

And yet for some reason the senate Dems (save for those who were absent) voted unanimously to confirm him.

Hmmm.

Let's review....

So let me make sure I have this straight. In 2004, according to Goober, Petraeus was a political hack, misleading everyone at the expose of poor Jonh Kerry.

But on January 26, 2007, every single Democratic Senator present voted to confirm him.

Including Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barak Obama.

So were all the Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate duped, or just stupid?

Or, could it be that Goober's partisan claims are just nonsense? Apparently his favored party's Senate contingent thinks so.....

Matt

This argument adds up to nothing.

The American people voted with confidence for President Bush - and now many of those voters regret that choice. I'm sure the same goes for these Senators. People can and do make mistakes.

A vote of confirmation in the Senate doesn't make the appointee some magic superman. And the US Senate has a long and glorious tradition of confirming party hacks as Presidential appointments.

White Rabbit · #24 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

As for the politics of Petreaus, as I noted in the "Will Petreaus Betray US" thread, even The Economist, arguably the most reputable conservative magazine out there, and a long time supporter of the US invasion of Iraq, described General Petreaus' testimony before Congress as "spin" and "exaggerated" and "unimpressive".

Joao Dasilva · #25 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor Who

With Hillary's shameful slam of a decorated war hero, the man she voted to bring this report, all but calling him a liar, is there no doubt where her allegiance stands. She sided with Moveon.org instead of acknowledging, even in the slightest, that we are making progress in Iraq. This can do nothing but help the Republicans. Who should we believe? A politician proven to be a pathological liar standing next to a far left organization that states they "bought and paid for" the Democratic party and resorts to third grade name calling or the General both Democrats and Republicans chose to give them the assessment?

Hillary made a grave political error. She may or may not believe what she said. She's probably more afraid of Moveon than the electorate but we all know she is playing to her base who vote in primaries and will get her the nomination. However, the Republicans are not going to let this one go and will use it to their benefit. It will be interesting to see what the polls show and if her comments don't work to her favor, watch her backpedal.

Didn't you Dems want the President to start bringing the troops home anyway? All but the most ign'ant know that we can't do it all at once. So now you have what you claimed you wanted. That's not good enough? It seems that the Dems want the troops home but only if they have a hand in it. Otherwise it is not a political victory for them. Another one snatched by Bush. Dang, you guys keep getting beaten by an "idiot".

Umm, She's a Corporate Dem; a Rockefeller Republican, basically.

Rakkasan · #26 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by MattLarson

And yet for some reason the senate Dems (save for those who were absent) voted unanimously to confirm him.

Hmmm.

Let's review....

So let me make sure I have this straight. In 2004, according to Goober, Petraeus was a political hack, misleading everyone at the expose of poor Jonh Kerry.

But on January 26, 2007, every single Democratic Senator present voted to confirm him.

Including Joe Biden, Hillary Clinton, Chris Dodd and Barak Obama.

So were all the Democratic presidential candidates in the Senate duped, or just stupid?

Or, could it be that Goober's partisan claims are just nonsense? Apparently his favored party's Senate contingent thinks so.....

Matt

totally noticed no reply from the goobernator

Rakkasan · #27 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

On this subject all i can say in almost 40 years of life on this planet i have never put a political sticker on my car

me and my wife both put NO HILLARY stickers on our cars..............

Joao Dasilva · #28 (**permalink**) 09-18-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rakkasan

totally noticed no reply from the goobernator

Possibly beeause when you get to that level, being a 'political hack' is required for the Brass to stay alive.

See Gens' Shinsecki (phonetic spelling) vs Colin Powell.

Angry American · #29 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007

Quote:

Originally Posted by SamInTheSouth

What makes it moronic?

To say Hillary is far-left. Couldn't be further from the truth.

White Rabbit · #30 (**permalink**) 09-19-2007

Indeed, Hillary is much hated by the actual leftwing of the Democratic Party for being too much a centerist or 'conservative'.

Calling Hillary a leftwing extremist just makes people look uneducated and ignorant.

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