With Hillary's shameful slam of a decorated war hero, the man she voted to bring this report, all but calling him a liar, is there no doubt where her allegiance stands. She sided with Moveon.org instead of acknowledging, even in the slightest, that we are making progress in Iraq. This can do nothing but help the Republicans. Who should we believe? A politician proven to be a pathological liar standing next to a far left organization that states they "bought and paid for" the Democratic party and resorts to third grade name calling or the General both Democrats and Republicans chose to give them the assessment?

Hillary made a grave political error. She may or may not believe what she said. She's probably more afraid of Moveon than the electorate but we all know she is playing to her base who vote in primaries and will get her the nomination. However, the Republicans are not going to let this one go and will use it to their benefit. It will be interesting to see what the polls show and if her comments don't work to her favor, watch her backpedal.

Didn't you Dems want the President to start bringing the troops home anyway? All but the most ign'ant know that we can't do it all at once. So now you have what you claimed you wanted. That's not good enough? It seems that the Dems want the troops home but only if they have a hand in it. Otherwise it is not a political victory for them. Another one snatched by Bush. Dang, you guys keep getting beaten by an "idiot".

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typical...what I would like to know is; did the swift boaters get an offer that moveon.org did regards the sweetheart deal they got....

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A whole nuther story. I read earlier today that the Times and Moveon are going to be investigated for a backdoor contribution. I'm sure nothing will come of it. I don't like the Times but they can charge whatever they want for their ad space.

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Clinton slammed a decorated veteran?

What did John Kerry do this time?

Oh sorry, without any context, this thread had me slightly confused.

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Hillary Clinton is doing whatever she thinks she has to in order to get elected. She is not an honest person. She is deceitful and untrusting and it's amazing that there are enough stupid people in this country to actually make her the front runner for the Democrat's nomination.

nice try.....

that’s a stretch...a huge stretch...he was appointed by congress with a HUGE plurality ..he was recognized as a "mind " regards counter insurgency etc.....it Appears to be working as evidence of his bona fides........he has not fronted himself for an elected office or used anything other than his expertise in his CHOSEN field to front himself...thats a huge difference...the Kerry comparison is very weak imho.

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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No... seriously. What are we talking about? Sorry, I'm a little out of the loop right now.

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oookayyy..moveon.org...had a commentary with picture posted in the ny times ion the day of his testimony....it was , well, very disparaging....the fee asked for was barely 40% of the usual price, it was posted on the same day as his testimony..the article had a pic of Petraeus half page with underneath a caption reading general “betrayus”

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No individual can plan his own existence in their view.

So the state planners must arrogate to themselves the right to manipulate any sector of the economic system if the good of “society” or the “general welfare” is paramount.

Ipso- if the rights of the individual get in the way, the rights of the individual must be sublimated.

The Road to Serfdom
FA Hayek (interpretation)


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What alot of people don't realize is that the military is very much political when you reach the flag ranks. Its more who you know then what you know. While I have every faith in the General, You can surge until the cows come home, however if the Iraq Gov don't step up all the surge in the world won't do a damn thing.

Hillary is not far left - that is ridiculous.
And she didn't side with moveon.org in there stupid ad...she simply chose not to publicly denounce it.
Hillary is a smart cookie and perhaps as good as or better at "politikin" than her husband.
She has made it remarkably far for a wretched double-talker who would sell her mother and the car she rolled in on to get elected...by staying away from hot issues until after they have cooled down.

She may be an opportunistic ladder climber, but it is moronic to say she is far-left.

Only among those who actually pay attention to her political positions and the policies of her husband's presidency.

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Not amazing at all given that there are still people who support Bush, who lied to start a war, and that he is still in power. In fact, if what you say is the worst of it, it's probably an improvement.

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What makes it moronic?

The government as a whole at every level is a good indication that intelligence fled the American voters a long, long time ago.

He also wrote an op-ed piece in 2004, that told how great we were doing in Iraq, how the Iraqi Army and Police force were ready to shoulder the burden and that Victory was around the corner, a piece that was very convenient for the Bush campaign to use to refute Kerry's claim that the war was being mismanaged, was he being political then, or was his brilliant military mind just misreading the facts?

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