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Old 11-02-2007
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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When he opens his mouth, he whines.

That kinda' seals the deal for me...
Thanks for pointing out that policy is irrelevant to you, and that unsubstantiated perceptions regarding his voice is all that matters.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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He's a nutball.
Oh, I see. He's a nut because he's a nutball. Thank you for adding this piece of wisdom to the thread.
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That is what is wrong with him. He is Jimmy Carter Redoux. he is a loon. He is an idiot.

And the only votes he will receive in this, his 3721st run for president will be the loon vote. He might cross over and receive a few "ignorant" and maybe even a few of the "stupid" votes, but not enough to matter.
The only ignorance I see is coming from people like you who call him a nut continually without providing any reasoning for it.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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In regard to Paul's stance on free trade, you are correct that he does not approve of NAFTA, CAFTA, and the like. However, he is actually the opposite of a protectionist when it comes to trade. His opposistion to those agreements arises from his belief that they are too serving to special interests and don't actually promote free trade (which is why an agreement that is supposedly freeing up trade turns out to be hundreds of pages in length). I think he would like to see completely free trade with other countries as opposed to the trade agreements we have now. Now, whether ending those agreements is the best way to achieve that is questionable, and not necessarily something I support. I'm just letting you know my understanding of his stance on that issue.

Here is a link to his speeches and writings on the topic of free trade.
Ron Paul Free Trade (from the Ron Paul Library)
I think a reason why people sometimes mix up his views is that questions and issues often are cut out for republicans and democrats (the standard ones) only. So, in a question about Gay Marriage, Paul might say "no." Many might assume that it means he hates gays and wants to keep giving out benefits to straight married couples, but it might just mean that he wants to do away with handouts for married couples altogether.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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Thanks for pointing out that policy is irrelevant to you, and that unsubstantiated perceptions regarding his voice is all that matters.
It's not that it does or doesn't matter to me, it's how he'll be perceived on the world stage. That's something that's important, and to dismiss the importance of that to those outside our borders is stuid...
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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It's not that it does or doesn't matter to me,
It doesn't matter if he's "small government" or "big government".



When he opens his mouth, he whines.

That kinda' seals the deal for me...




...regardless of what his policies are, because he whines...

It sure sounds like you're trying to seal the deal in everyone's mind that you don't give a fuck about policies and care about unsubstantiated "whining" and whatever other bullshit you can pull out of your ass to try and detract from his policies, given that you obviously aren't predisposed to point out flaws in them.

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it's how he'll be perceived on the world stage. That's something that's important, and to dismiss the importance of that to those outside our borders is stuid...
And how do you know how he will be perceived on the world stage? What are you basing those assumptions on?
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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It doesn't matter if he's "small government" or "big government".



When he opens his mouth, he whines.

That kinda' seals the deal for me...




...regardless of what his policies are, because he whines...

It sure sounds like you're trying to seal the deal in everyone's mind that you don't give a fuck about policies and care about unsubstantiated "whining" and whatever other bullshit you can pull out of your ass to try and detract from his policies, given that you obviously aren't predisposed to point out flaws in them.
I've explained my position, for your benefit, in very simple terms.

Clearly, though, you remain confused...

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And how do you know how he will be perceived on the world stage? What are you basing those assumptions on?
On the fact that he whines...
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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I've explained my position, for your benefit, in very simple terms.

Clearly, though, you remain confused...



On the fact that he whines...
And as I said earlier, I'm confident the content of the policies would be more important than the voice that delivers them. I have the feeling other people care a lot more about what we do to them than how it sounds.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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I've explained my position, for your benefit, in very simple terms.

Clearly, though, you remain confused...
I'm not at all confused. I just see past your deception attempts.
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On the fact that he whines...
Prove it.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

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I've explained my position, for your benefit, in very simple terms.

Clearly, though, you remain confused...



On the fact that he whines...
So it's now a "fact" that Ron Paul whines? You used to say it was only your opinion...

In fact, here is a list of the individual posts in which Steve either calls Ron Paul a "whiner" or asserts that he "whines." If anyone has ever been confused about what Steve thinks of Ron Paul's public speaking ability, this should help you form an opinion. Unfortunately, very little else of substance concerning Ron Paul is contained in these posts.

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...ner#post998429

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/brea...ner#post998436

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/brea...er#post1000229

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1055834

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1055945

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1056112

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1056145

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1056241

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1057970

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1058577

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1059012

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1063949

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...er#post1099636



http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1099718

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1099721

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1100215

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1011098

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1055470

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1055482

http://www.uspoliticsonline.com/poli...es#post1059020
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Unfortunately, very little else of substance concerning Ron Paul is contained in these posts.
You don't say?!
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

The amount of free time you must have is just stunning...

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In fact, here is a list of the individual posts in which Steve either calls Ron Paul a "whiner" or asserts that he "whines." If anyone has ever been confused about what Steve thinks of Ron Paul's public speaking ability, this should help you form an opinion.
You know, I don't think too many people are confused about what I think of his speaking ability.

Except, obviously, for you...
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The amount of free time you must have is just stunning...



You know, I don't think too many people are confused about what I think of his speaking ability.

Except, obviously, for you...
Interesting conclusions.

And as I said earlier, I'm confident the content of the policies would be more important than the voice that delivers them. I have the feeling other people care a lot more about what we do to them than how it sounds.
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

Ron Paul is inspiring to listen to. He's unfiltered and candid. He's weathered but strong. Easily the most passionate candidate on either side. He's fed up with the federal gov't and he's sick and tired of the people who took his party and crashed it into the ditch. When you watch any of the debates, Paul looks like the professor of a civics lesson and the rest of the Republican candidates look like pupils who didn't read their assignments. Especially Romney and Giuliani, who act like idiots and snicker and laugh when they've been moderates their whole careers and are now having Neo-con implants inserted in their characters.

Ron Paul offends many of the people who are all team spirit and who either lack the capacity or the will to think things through. Going with the team is a mentality that's hard to break. They end up sticking with their party no matter how bad it gets because they're told they're traitors if they think anything different. Well that's bullshit. That's the stuff of fascism and dictators.

Lots of Americans can't even tell the difference between passion and negativity anymore. They will accuse Ron Paul of whining while the rest of us feel that Ron Paul is passionate because he wants his country to follow the Constitution again and is angered by the fact that so many in his party are just entirely willing to exchange due process for convenience and personal gain.

The only thing wrong with Ron Paul, I fear, is that many in both parties are so carried away by misguided team spirit that they forget about fundamental American values that are more important than party affiliation.

Keep giving them hell Ronnie!
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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

What's really wrong with Ron Paul is that he lives in a country where the mainstream could never be accused of being too quick.
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Ron Paul is inspiring to listen to.
Compared to the charismatic cesspool of politicians in Canada, I'd imagine that's true...
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