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Re: What is wrong with Ron Paul?

In Canada, where I live and happen to be a dual citizen of both the US and Canada, we would have never voted for Bush, let alone twice. Jean Chretien was charismatic, and Pierre Trudeau was the most charismatic politician of his era. Don't even start with me on the Canada thing because my other half belongs to a country so dumb they attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. It's the most embarassing thing ever. I'm 30 and my generation is going to have to live with that shame and try to explain how come no one did anything just at a moment in time when we needed to smack Bush down but instead just sat around and watched American Idol instead. It doesn't get worse than that.
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In Canada, where I live and happen to be a dual citizen of both the US and Canada, we would have never voted for Bush, let alone twice. Jean Chretien was charismatic, and Pierre Trudeau was the most charismatic politician of his era. Don't even start with me on the Canada thing because my other half belongs to a country so dumb they attacked a country that had nothing to do with 9/11. It's the most embarassing thing ever. I'm 30 and my generation is going to have to live with that shame and try to explain how come no one did anything just at a moment in time when we needed to smack Bush down but instead just sat around and watched American Idol instead. It doesn't get worse than that.
I do believe that you can renounce your US citizenship. I have no doubt that our embassy would be pleased to walk you through that process.
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I do believe that you can renounce your US citizenship. I have no doubt that our embassy would be pleased to walk you through that process.

You sure can.
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I do believe that you can renounce your US citizenship. I have no doubt that our embassy would be pleased to walk you through that process.
A very predictable and stupid thing to say. Don't try to change a country that used to be great, just leave it.

It's ok to be critical of one's nation you know. How else do you know if it's living up to it's standards?

Your hyperbole is so tired and it gives America a bad name. You bring America down, not me, because you're an intolerant and a non-thinker while I want America to be great again.
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A very predictable and stupid thing to say. Don't try to change a country that used to be great, just leave it.

It's ok to be critical of one's nation you know. How else do you know if it's living up to it's standards?

Your hyperbole is so tired and it gives America a bad name. You bring America down, not me, because you're an intolerant and a non-thinker while I want America to be great again.
I would say thanks for calling my comment stupid, but that would be too much sarcasm. As you live in Canada and I have yet to see any postive posts about the USA from you and see inaccurate generalizations about my country from you quite often, I am wondering why you keep your US citizenship.

But your use of the word stupid leads me to believe that you use projection as well as generalizations.
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This isn't a site to kiss America's ass. It's a site to criticize and examine and debate all the things that ought to be done. It's not my fault or Canada's fault that American leadership has taken a great nation down the toilet. The economy is at a precipice, the foreign policy in the Middle East costs too much, is wasting too many lives, is killing innocent people while creating more hate against us for generations to come. I'm sick of it.

I could have never predicted 7 years ago that America was going to suffer through so much moral decay. I thought goodness just came into being, that if a bunch of people start veering the ship in the wrong direction that the rest of the crew would stand up and take charge, but instead everyone just went to sleep, sat on their couches, watched American Idol, got fatter, got lazier.

American leadership triggered this stuff and the people went with it. There are some small indications that people are waking up, but I fear that we will remain on the stupid team.

Don't attack me because a great nation that can achieve amazing things and carry out huge tasks and have huge dreams has blood on it's hands now while the captain is punching holes in the wall and everybody has been so easily lead that it's fashionable to hate people who disagree with your politics.

Look at what Bush did. Now the two parties are trying to represent two different countries. How fucked is that? You did it to yourselves, got into a funk after 9/11, and it's ok to admit that that happened. But nothing will change until you admit it.
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Don't attack me ....
Wondering why you don't do something is attacking? That certainly is useful information to know.
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You did it to yourselves
I find it amazing that someone who says the above also makes a point about his dual citizenship.

Do you honestly see America veering away from the course you so obviously fear? Do you honestly see a day when President Paul brings us back in line?

If you do, you're stupid, because it won't happen. Given that the United States, according to you, is on the road to ruin, one has to wonder why you would continue to want to associate yourself with it.

If you're an American and a Canadian citizen, you're an American first. That's just the way it is, at least if you want an American to take your opinions seriously...
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Because I want America to be saved by it's values. By it's constitution. I want the people to wake up and change the direction of their nation.

I obviously believe America is worth saving while you choose to attack me. It's how you're programmed. It's what 7 years of Bush does to the brain. Just ignore common sense and attack anyone who's critical of America. You're like a robot.

Opinions that make sense ought to be taken seriously no matter where they are from. To ignore that piece of wisdom is to admit your own ignorance.
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I obviously believe America is worth saving while you choose to attack me....

You're like a robot....

...admit your own ignorance.
Projecting again? Yet with all your attacks, you have yet to demonstrate how I have attacked you. Saying that I have attacked you makes it no more true than the first time you said it.
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Because I want America to be saved by it's values. By it's constitution. I want the people to wake up and change the direction of their nation.
Again, are you an American or not?

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I obviously believe America is worth saving while you choose to attack me. It's how you're programmed. It's what 7 years of Bush does to the brain. Just ignore common sense and attack anyone who's critical of America. You're like a robot.
If I'd only loved under a Bush Presidency, you might have a point. But, and as is so often the case, you do not...

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Opinions that make sense ought to be taken seriously no matter where they are from.
Agreed.

Any chance you'll provide any of those anytime soon?

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To ignore that piece of wisdom is to admit your own ignorance.
Honestly, the last thing I expect out of you is anything remotely resembling "wisdom". All you've offered is your twisted-panty tirades about how the only hope for America is a candidate who has no viable chance of being President, ever...
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It's not that it does or doesn't matter to me, it's how he'll be perceived on the world stage. That's something that's important, and to dismiss the importance of that to those outside our borders is stuid...
How he'll be percieved on the world stage?

I'd say the number one thing world nations want to see from America is a new president they don't perceive to be a war monger.

Rudi Guiliani would probably be the worst case scenario for world perception.

But since when did you give 2 squirts of pee what the international community wanted? That's not your MO.
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How he'll be percieved on the world stage?

I'd say the number one thing world nations want to see from America is a new president they don't perceive to be a war monger.

Rudi Guiliani would probably be the worst case scenario for world perception.

But since when did you give 2 squirts of pee what the international community wanted? That's not your MO.
Boy, you're really "Johnny On The Spot" with your responses, ain't ya'?

Yes, he may be perceived as someone who's not a war monger. He'll also be perceived as a whiner...
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Boy, you're really "Johnny On The Spot" with your responses, ain't ya'?

Yes, he may be perceived as someone who's not a war monger. He'll also be perceived as a whiner...
So appearance is more important to you than policy? Do you vote (based on) for the candidate with the most expensive advertising campaign?
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About all the Anti-Paul stuff I see here is about style and not about substance.

I have to say, I've looked at Paul recently myself with a critical eye and can't find many bad things to say about him.

He's not my candidate, but I don't understand the apparent rabid support for him nor do I understand the rabid dislike of him.

To me, he's a guy who really has a way of getting his point across... his criticisms of the Bush administration are sharp, witty, and biting....and I think they come from his noggin and not speech writers... perhaps that's why he has so much support.

I think his campaign is too focused on criticism and not looking enough to the future and what he's actually going to do. I'm not sure that people will know what he's about in time... all most people know about him is that he's saying what's on their minds.
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