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partofme · #**196** (**permalink**) 11-17-2007

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Originally Posted by The Infidel

Its not a religious choice, its plain old national security.

Young people commit a disproportionately large amount of crime compared with the rest of the population. Maybe we should lock them up until they reach 30. Maybe we should look at statistics based on race, sex, nation of origin, religion, philosophy, and lifestyle and ship everybody out that tends to have high rates of criminal activity. If my town is any indication we should keep the Muslim exchange students and ship out everybody in a fraternity or sorority since they cause much more trouble. Gang activity kills more Americans every year than terrorism so I guess any time anybody is seen flashing a sign, wearing gang colors, or even seen hanging out with gang members they should be shipped out as well. To hell with civil liberties, open societies, and judging individuals by their own merits.

Sounds all too fascist to me.

Michael · #**197** (**permalink**) 11-17-2007

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Originally Posted by The Infidel

Bingo and its taken you this long to get it

Would you like us to ship them to Jerusalem or somewhere like Buchenwald?

Sheriff · #**198** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

Now a few examples of the world that Cybarella and Infidel envision. You would love to live in one of them, or you would love to be seperated by thick walls, just as they do in the terrorist state of Israel, or you would love to hate your neighbour just because he/she is a Muslim, or you would love to spread hate messages thorugh an ideology of hatred and extremism, and through a religion that is re-interpreted by its ardent followers and that teaches to shed blood, rape the women and steal possessions.

This is the world these two bigots envison and for which they spread their messages of hatred and divison and this is where they belong to. Do you know how they want America to become? Read Robert Fisk of The Independent:

Robert Fisk: A Warning to Those Who Dare Criticize Israel in the US

The world and America for which they spread their message of intolerance:

Kurt Nimmo: Criticizing Zionism is Forbidden

The World and America which they try to tailor:

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Larry Portis: Zionism and the United States, the Cultural Connection
I agree with Naveh that the US influence over the Zionist enterprise is important. What is less understood is how Israel has become a model for the US. Recently the work of John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt has raised the question of how Israel, through the Zionist lobby in the US, has perhaps come to exercise a virtually direct control over US policy in the Middle East. This is an important debate in which others, such as Noam Chomsky and Bill and Kathleen Christison have made important contributions. In this debate, in my opinion, the cultural connections between Zionism and the United States should not be minimized.

It is a good thing that, through Cybarela and Infidel, we have learned whom we should stand against, whom we should unite against, and whom we should fight against. I have no intention in leaving my country to the hands of a bunch of Zionist Jews and extremist and supremacist Christians.

You don't own this country. If someone needs to leave this country, the first seats were reserved for you. Go back to Egypt until another Moses leads you through parted waters of the Red Sea. This is America. And America is not under your custody. You are not our guardians. Rupert Murdoch may be a Jew. Paul Wolfowitz may be Jew. Richard Perle and all the traitors and screwers of America and haters of America and servants of the Zion and haters of America may all be Jew. But they will finally find us before themselves as we represent the true America the whole world knows and loves and admires. You don't belong here, Cybarella and Infidel and the like. If you don't want to see any more Muslims around you, go somewhere else. Take your betreyals and go back to Israel or weherever you come from.

Sheriff · #**199** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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I am a Separatist I believe everyone has a place in this world as long as they stay in it.
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I believe while they are still a threat they need to be treated as a threat.

And removed from the west, back where which ever country their bloodline comes from. As for the White western muslims, send them to mecca. And make them stay.

The biggest threat to our nation comes from the extremists whose navel cords are tied to the Israeli and American Zionist circles. What kind of America they dream of? What kind of American they dream of making out of a tolerant nation? What kind of world they envision?

Read the article -part of it- by Shulamit Aloni, the former Education Minister of Israel.

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Shulamit Aloni: Yes, There is Apartheid in Israel
Jewish self-righteousness is taken for granted among ourselves to such an extent that we fail to see what's right in front of our eyes. It's simply inconceivable that the ultimate victims, the Jews, can carry out evil deeds. Nevertheless, the state of Israel practises its own, quite violent, form of Apartheid with the native Palestinian population.
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Indeed Apartheid does exist here. And our army is not "the most moral army in the world" as we are told by its commanders. Sufficient to mention that every town and every village has turned into a detention centre and that every entry and every exit has been closed, cutting it off from arterial traffic. If it were not enough that Palestinians are not allowed to travel on the roads paved 'for Jews only', on their land, the current GOC found it necessary to land an additional blow on the natives in their own land with an "ingenious proposal".
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Did man of peace President Carter truly err in concluding that Israel is creating Apartheid? Did he exaggerate? Don't the US Jewish community leaders recognise the International Convention on the Elimination of all Forms of Racial Discrimination of 7 March 1966, to which Israel is a signatory? Are the US Jews who launched the loud and abusive campaign against Carter for supposedly maligning Israel's character and its democratic and humanist nature unfamiliar with the International Convention on the Suppression and Punishment of the Crime of Apartheid of 30 November 1973? Apartheid is defined therein as an international crime that among other things includes using different legal instruments to rule over different racial groups, thus depriving people of their human rights. Isn't freedom of travel one of these rights?

US sponsored Israeli terror has long made the world a hell for Palestinians and now Israeli-sponsored extremist terror is trying to make America a hell to live for decent American people. Why do us Americans have do follow what Jew Michael Chartoff's lies of possible terror attacks by some Muslim groups? Are we all dumb? Stupid? Insane? Mindless? Blind? Can't we discern friend from foe? Will we let those crows hover over us and darken our sun and wound our unity and harmony and drive wedges between us? Will we let these people make America a second Israel that is programmed to shed Muslim blood?

The Infidel · #**200** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by partofme

Young people commit a disproportionately large amount of crime compared with the rest of the population. Maybe we should lock them up until they reach 30. Maybe we should look at statistics based on race, sex, nation of origin, religion, philosophy, and lifestyle and ship everybody out that tends to have high rates of criminal activity. If my town is any indication we should keep the Muslim exchange students and ship out everybody in a fraternity or sorority since they cause much more trouble. Gang activity kills more Americans every year than terrorism so I guess any time anybody is seen flashing a sign, wearing gang colors, or even seen hanging out with gang members they should be shipped out as well. To hell with civil liberties, open societies, and judging individuals by their own merits.

Sounds all too fascist to me.

Now you are off topic, what American collage kids do is nothing to do with removing a future threat to the country. Thats your cultures problems that you need to sort out, not the worlds.

The Infidel · #**201** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Michael

Would you like us to ship them to Jerusalem or somewhere like Buchenwald?

Michael I ask you a question at least have the manners to answer that first.

Young people today

The Infidel · #**202** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Sheriff

Now a few examples of the world that Cybarella and Infidel envision. You would love to live in one of them, or you would love to be seperated by thick walls, just as they do in the terrorist state of Israel, or you would love to hate your neighbour just because he/she is a Muslim, or you would love to spread hate messages thorugh an ideology of hatred and extremism, and through a religion that is re-interpreted by its ardent followers and that teaches to shed blood, rape the women and steal possessions.

This is the world these two bigots envison and for which they spread their messages of hatred and divison and this is where they belong to. Do you know how they want America to become? Read Robert Fisk of The Independent:

Robert Fisk: A Warning to Those Who Dare Criticize Israel in the US

The world and America for which they spread their message of intolerance:

Kurt Nimmo: Criticizing Zionism is Forbidden

The World and America which they try to tailor:

It is a good thing that, through Cybarela and Infidel, we have learned whom we should stand against, whom we should unite against, and whom we should fight against. I have no intention in leaving my country to the hands of a bunch of Zionist Jews and extremist and supremacist Christians.

You don't own this country. If someone needs to leave this country, the first seats were reserved for you. Go back to Egypt until another Moses leads you through parted waters of the Red Sea. This is America. And America is not under your custody. You are not our guardians. Rupert Murdoch may be a Jew. Paul Wolfowitz may be Jew. Richard Perle and all the traitors and screwers of America and haters of America and servants of the Zion and haters of America may all be Jew. But they will finally find us before themselves as we represent the true America the whole world knows and loves and admires. You don't belong here, Cybarella and Infidel and the like. If you don't want to see any more Muslims around you, go somewhere else. Take your betreyals and go back to Israel or weherever you come from.

Arrh ha blah blah blah I kind of drifted off the rant there

The Infidel · #**203** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Sheriff

Infidel wrote:

The biggest threat to our nation comes from the extremists whose navel cords are tied to the Israeli and American Zionist circles. What kind of America they dream of? What kind of American they dream of making out of a tolerant nation? What kind of world they envision?

Read the article -part of it- by Shulamit Aloni, the former Education Minister of Israel.

US sponsored Israeli terror has long made the world a hell for Palestinians and now Israeli-sponsored extremist terror is trying to make America a hell to live for decent American people. Why do us Americans have do follow what Jew Michael Chartoff's lies of possible terror attacks by some Muslim groups? Are we all dumb? Stupid? Insane? Mindless? Blind? Can't we discern friend from foe? Will we let those crows hover over us and darken our sun and wound our unity and harmony and drive wedges between us? Will we let these people make America a second Israel that is programmed to shed Muslim blood?

Blah blah possible terror attacks by some Muslim groups, hell yes

Sheriff · #**204** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Michael
Would you like us to ship them to Jerusalem or somewhere like Buchenwald?

We better make them work to death in the building of ısraeli seperation wall. Then we can throw them into Kfar Zakharia, or Dimona, or Nahal Soreq, or Yodefat, or Eilabun and, thus, evaporate them. Would you like that, Infidel, the star of David? Israel's Nuclear Facilities | atomicarchive.com

The Anti-Semitism policy has muted all the thinking voices all around the globe. Now I guess it is time for these people to make a better Israel in America by turning it into a prison-state.

By the way, what about the Israeli outlaws that screw America each day? Infidel, you are so sensitive about "your" national security (Which I beliee you mean ısrael's national security) My concern is the security of mu own country that I belong to so I want all Jewish traitors to be expelled from America, including Jew Jonathan Pollard. If you are sincere in your words about your insensitiveness for the security of the USA, then you would now easily raise your voice against the Jewish traitors, screwers of America.

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Kurt Nimmo: Israeli Outlaws in America
Is Rafi Eitan in the United States and if so why hasn't the FBI arrested him?

Eitan is the former chief of Mossad operations in Europe and the man who recruited the U.S. Navy counter-intelligence specialist Jonathan Pollard to spy on the United States. As well, Eitan once headed the top-secret science and technology spy unit known as Leshkat Kesher Madao, or Lekem (supposedly dismantled following Pollard's bust).

According to Richard Sale (Pollard Recruiter Resurfaces in U.S., UPI, July 31, 2003) and federal law enforcement officials, "Eitan has, for the last year or so, been traveling to the United States on an Israeli passport, but using an alias."

Eitan apparently landed at Columbus, Ohio, and then moved around the Midwest on a prolonged road trip. Eitan "the stinker" has been photographed in the company of "known dealers who belong to a ring dealing in the drug ecstasy," one federal law enforcement official told Sale.

Last year two major Israeli Ecstasy traffickers were extradited to the United Sates, much to the displeasure of the Israeli government. The DEA claims "Israeli organized crime figures" control around 70 percent of the worldwide market in Ecstasy. "The FBI is looking for evidence that Eitan is, or has been engaging, in questionable activities related to this ring," a federal law enforcement official told UPI.

For his part in the Pollard spy scandal, Rafi Eitan was promoted to a senior position with the largest state-owned business enterprise in Israel -- the Israel Chemicals Company. He received the job based on the recommendation of Ariel Sharon. "It's generally agreed that Eitan was to take the brunt of blame for the [Pollard] mess," a former official close to confidential details of the case told UPI. "In return for his silence, Sharon would make sure he got a good job." In 1987, Eitan boasted to an Israeli newspaper that all of his actions had been undertaken with the knowledge of his Israeli superiors.

But Eitan was not the only Israeli to be rewarded for snooping on America. Aviem Sella, an Israeli Air Force expert in nuclear targeting and delivery of airborne nuclear weapons, was Pollard's handler. When Pollard was arrested for passing satellite photographs and weapon systems data to the Israelis, Sella hurried back to Israel, and was soon promoted to Brig. Gen. in Israel's Air Force. "This raised such an outcry of protest in the United States that Sella was quietly moved to the Israeli Defense Force Defense College," writes Sale.

Apparently, spying on the United States is relatively easy for the Israelis. According to a 1979 CIA report (quoted by Michael Saba, Pollard in Perspective): "The Israeli intelligence service depends heavily on the various Jewish communities and organizations abroad for recruiting agents and eliciting general information ... Israeli agents usually operate discreetly within Jewish communities and are under instructions to handle their missions with utmost tact to avoid embarrassment to Israel." Pollard, who studied politics at the Fletcher School of Law and Diplomacy at Tufts University after graduating from Stanford University, was one such "asset" in the American Jewish community.

Is it possible Eitan is working "discreetly within Jewish communities" in regard to drug dealing as well -- or did the FBI simply hallucinate the whole thing? And if the FBI indeed knows the whereabouts of Eitan, why haven't they arrested him? He is, after all, a wanted man in America.

According to Carl Cameron of Fox News -- in a series of reports that have subsequently disappeared from the Fox News website -- in 1997 the Israelis organized "cocaine and ecstasy trafficking, and sophisticated white-collar credit card and computer fraud... the bad guys had the cops beepers, cell phones, even home phones under surveillance. Some who did get caught admitted to having hundreds of numbers and using them to avoid arrest." An investigation revealed the Israeli crime network possessed "extensive access to database systems to identify pertinent personal and biographical information" of law enforcement officers.

How did a network of drug dealers get this sensitive information? "When investigators tried to find out where the information might have come from, they looked at Amdocs, a publicly traded firm based in Israel," Cameron reported. "Amdocs generates billing data for virtually every call in America, and they do credit checks."

But it seems Amdocs was not only involved with Israeli drug dealers. "More than two dozen U.S. intelligence, counterintelligence, law-enforcement and other officials have told Insight [magazine] that the FBI believes Israel has intercepted telephone and modem communications on some of the most sensitive lines of the U.S. government on an ongoing basis," write J. Michael Waller and Paul Rodriguez. "The worst penetrations are believed to be in the State Department. But others say the supposedly secure telephone systems in the White House, Defense Department and Justice Department may have been compromised as well. The problem for FBI agents in the famed Division 5, however, isn't just what they have uncovered, which is substantial, but what they don't know yet."

Amdocs "helped Bell Atlantic install new telephone lines in the White House in 1997... [and] a senior-level employee of Amdocs had a separate T1 data phone line installed from his base outside of St. Louis that was connected directly to Israel... investigators are looking into whether the owner of the T1 line had a 'real time' capacity to intercept phone calls from both the White House and other government offices around Washington, and sustained the line for some time, sources said. Sources familiar with the investigation say FBI agents on the case sought an arrest warrant for the St. Louis employee but [Clinton] Justice Department officials quashed it."

Waller and Rodriguez quoted one senior government official as saying: "It is a politically sensitive matter. I can't comment on it beyond telling you that anything involving Israel on this particular matter is off-limits. It's that hot."

Apparently, the Justice Department and the FBI have a lot to hide, if we are to believe Jeffrey Steinberg and Edward Spannaus. According to these two journalists, the Israelis are behind a

"massive ecstasy trafficking operation, delivering hundreds of millions of dollars in illegal drugs, manufactured in the Netherlands, to cities across the United States. The drug trafficking operation is also engaged in black market diamond smuggling, using Hassidic Jews as couriers... Portions of the funds garnered from the illegal operations, according to sources, are funneled to offshore bank accounts of Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon. Some of these dirty funds were reportedly diverted to Sharon's election campaigns. This Israeli mafia apparatus receives technical support via a number of Israeli communications firms, that subcontract with major American telephone companies and government law enforcement agencies... Every time the DEA, FBI and Los Angeles Police Department task force infiltrated an agent inside the Orgad ring [Israeli Jacob 'Cookie' Orgad was arrested by a joint anti-drug task force in April 2000], his or her identity was blown within a matter of days. Every time a court ordered wiretap was put in place, the target immediately 'began behaving like Mother Teresa,' according to a source familiar with the case."

On August 16, Steinberg commented on Eitan's alleged resurfacing in the United States. "Eitan is making these high-risk journeys, U.S. and Israeli sources report, because he is directing plans for a major terrorist attack on American soil -- a new 9/11 -- to be blamed on either Muslim or Latin American terrorists... sources -- both Israeli and American -- have warned that Eitan is putting the finishing touches on such an operation, which coincides with Vice President Dick Cheney's aggressive promotion of the idea that the United States is facing an imminent new 9/11 attack. Cheney launched this propaganda offensive at his July 24, 2003 speech at the American Enterprise Institute in Washington, and he has been stumping the country, ever since, asserting an imminent terror attack."

Regardless of the validity of Steinberg's terrorism claim, one has to ask why the FBI hasn't arrested Rafi Eitan. There is, after all, an outstanding federal warrant for his arrest, so why is he allowed to make road trips across America?

Is it possible the FBI has orders to keep their hands off Eitan? "One of the people who have been recently pulled out of mothballs is (Sharon's) old pal Rafi Eitan," reported the Israeli newspaper Maariv in March 2002. Is it possible Sharon sent Eitan to America?

Sharon knows who calls the shots in Washington. "I want to tell you something very clear," Sharon reportedly told his foreign Minister Shimon Peres in October, 2001 (according to Israel radio Kol Yisrael), "don't worry about American pressure on Israel, we, the Jewish people control America, and the Americans know it."

Most Americans may not know it, but apparently the FBI does.

Kurt Nimmo is a photographer and multimedia developer in Las Cruces, New Mexico. Visit his excellent online gallery Ordinary Vistas. Nimmo is a contributor to Cockburn and St. Clair's forthcoming volume, The Politics of Anti-Semitism.

Tethys · #**205** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Michael

Would you like us to ship them to Jerusalem or somewhere like Buchenwald?

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Originally Posted by The Infidel

Michael I ask you a question at least have the manners to answer that first.

Young people today

Yes, Michael, you should follow the good example of this sophisticated lady, Infidel, and respond with a mannerly and mature “Arrh ha blah blah blah”. (See her post to Sheriff, directly below her little lecture on good manners to you

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Tethys

Sheriff · #**206** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Blah blah possible terror attacks by some Muslim groups, hell yes

Blah Blah? Is this the only utterance you can make when you are confronted the truth? Should I talk out of nothing, as you do, to make myself heard? I can say: There is a Jewish conspiracy against America to suck American blood and make the dream of Great Israel a reality? Would this make my point more audible? Should I talk just as you talk -- without providing any reference, any proof, but out of a sick mind?

If I cannot satisfy you, there is more of the extremist, right wing, neo-con Jewish treachery and sellout in America.

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Michael Neumann: Blame Yourself: American Power and Jewish Power
Talk of a Jewish power structure is increasing at two levels. In the nether regions of the internet, there's more about Jewish control of the US' Israel policy, or perhaps of the US itself. Higher up, one hears about a Jewish lobby, or a Jewish-Israel lobby, or, more often, about mean-spirited, unpleasant people who control the government, and who, it is said or coyly suggested, are Jews.

There is inconclusive but considerable evidence to support these claims. Jews loom large among the high ranks of government policy advisers, and in influential non-governmental policy organizations. Most media push a Zionist line; many are owned by Jews. And there are well-documented cases of senators and congressmen who have learned to regret, come election time, wavering in their support for Israel. Some suggest that Jewish pressure groups had a role in the downfall of Bush the First.

It is clear that American Jews are deeply involved in the formation of US policy towards what they call the Jewish homeland, the self-styled Jewish state of Israel. It is also clear that the interests of Israel are not identical with those of the United States. This naturally raises questions about the ultimate loyalties of these policy-makers, so the collection and distribution of such evidence is quite justified.

But another question arises: evidence for what, exactly? To my mind, it is evidence for the enormous, disgraceful complicity of American Jews in Israeli crimes, a complicity which includes very serious sins of omission throughout the Jewish left. The evidence also supports the notion that Jews have considerable political influence.

Sheriff · #**207** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

Infidel hates Muslims. Cyberalla hates Muslims. The crushing majority in this forum believe in living in harmony and understandingi which are the fundamentals of American tradition and history. This fact teaches us a serious lesson: Extremism is bad. Bad is bad. Zionism is bad. Al Qaeda is bad. Hating Muslims is bad. Hating Jews is bad. Hating Christians is bad. These are all ignoble acts of an ignoble bunch of treacherous and malicious people. We should not be on the same wagon with them. We have to confront them. We have to silence them. We have to elect a President who are to silence all these bands of hatred only through love and tolerance.

You know it does not take a hammer, an atomic bomb to "kill" the darkness. It takes the sun to kill the darkness. The sun touches everything, warms everyone. It does not perish the night. It just goes up, shows itself, and the darkness is gone. That simple. Now, we, the supporters of Barack Obama, don't have to use hammers and clubs to defeat the dark ideology of a bunch of insane people. We need to just show ourselves up, along with our message of hope, and the dark ideas and minds are all gone. That simple.

The way Infidel and Cyberalla, both of them Jewish Task Force members, which is an extremist and hateful gang of people, spread their message is ignoble and unjust and unscientific. They play a dirty game. They say: "Americans, you expell all Muslims because they kill six year olds and have ten wives." This is the terrorization of the minds. This is imposing thorugh false threat alarms. But they don't say: "Americans, Michael Chartoff is a Jew. Jonathan Pollard is a Jew. Fox News belongs to a Zionist family. Paul Wolfowitz is a Jew. People spying on key American interests are all Jews."

But truth just speaks up. Below you can see how provocations are being coordinated by the same circles, spearheaded by Danial Pipes:

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Trish Schuh: Islamophobia, a Retrospective
The [former] US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld's "Information Operations Roadmap" mandates that 'information warfare' utilize all cultural venues to further its agenda- news, posters, books, movies, art, internet, and music etc.

Can comedy be far behind? At recent CIA training sessions in Dubai, Iranian opposition agent provocateurs were taught the importance of mockery and ridicule when used to discredit and 'demythologize' an enemy or incite against it. Even populist actions like grafitti "could embolden the student movement and provoke a general government crackdown, which could then be used as a pretext to 'spark' a mass uprising that appeared to be spontaneous." (Asia Times, Mar 14, 06). Such provocation tactics operated in the cartoon intifada, as well as in US Embassy-coordinated "color revolutions".

As a free speech crusader, Flemming Rose, Jyllands-Posten's editor behind the Muhammad cartoons (and ally/author of a Daniel Pipes profile "The Threat from Islam"), had earlier refused to publish denigrating cartoons of Jesus, fearing it would "offend readers." Jylland-Posten also rescinded sponsorship of a Holocaust cartoon contest for the same reason. Kurt Westergaard, Jylland-Posten's 'Muhammad bomb' illustrator even transcribed a Koranic verse onto Muhammad's turban to reinforce his message. Westergaard later admitted to The Herald of Glasgow, Scotland that "terrorism" which he said got "spiritual ammunition" from Islam was the inspiration for that message.

If propaganda is a weapon of war, Islam is under carpet bombing. Nazi propagandist Joseph Goebbels described the methods, which define those used today: "Concentrating the fire of all the media on one particular point- a single theme, a single enemy, a single idea- the campaign uses this concentration of all media, but progressively..."

Theme: "War on Terror" Enemy: Muslims. Addressing the 2006 AIPAC "Now is the Time to Stop Iran" Conference, Israeli Ambassador to the UN, Daniel Gillerman summarized the Idea: "While it may be true- and probably is- that not all Muslims are terrorists, it also happens to be true that nearly all terrorists are Muslim." Former Iranian President Mohammad Khatami put it another way: "the West needs an enemy, and this time it is Islam. And Islamophobia becomes part of all policies of the great powers, of hegemonic powers."

In America, Illinois Congressman Mark Kirk commented: "I'm okay with discrimination against young Arab males from terrorist-producing states." Texas Congressman Sam Johnson bragged to a crowd of veterans that he had advised Bush to nuke Syria, and Colorado Congressman Tom Tancredo advocated wiping out Mecca to get even with Muslims for terrorist attacks. Recently the Bush administration itself revealed its plans to "nuke Iran" with bunker buster bombs.

Zionist Daniel Pipes, a representative at the Congress-sponsored think tank US Institute for Peace, (who was appointed by Bush despite heavy public protest against Pipe's racism) recently diagnosed Muslims as carriers of a sinister, latent psychopathic contagion: "Individuals may appear law-abiding and reasonable, but they are part of a totalitarian movement, and as such, all must be considered potential killers... This is what I have dubbed the Sudden Jihad Syndrome, whereby normal-appearing Muslims abruptly become violent. It has the awful but legitimate consequence of casting suspicion on all Muslims. Who knows whence the next jihadi? How can one be confident a law-abiding Muslim will not suddenly erupt in a homocidal rage?"

Muslims' angry reactions to the cartoon provocation unwittingly served a goal of Pipe's Anti-Islamist Institute: "the delegitimation of the Islamists. We seek to have them shunned by the government, the media, the churches, the academy and the corporate world." For once, Israel, America and Europe were united to protect civilization's free speech virtues against "crazed, rampaging", "dirty arabs" or, as Pipes himself once remarked, "brown-skinned peoples cooking strange foods and not exactly maintaining Germanic standards of hygiene."

I asked Pipes about the systemic racism and Muslim/Arab 'terrorist' stereotypes in the US media. Pipes said: "I would strongly, strongly disagree. There is an enormous amount of media that is very, very positive about Muslims, an enormous amount. I see it everyday. There is a steady stream of media that is very positive about Muslims- steady, steady, steady. I see it everyday- all the time..." When persistently pressed to name five positive stories or Muslim role models among this plethora of good news- authors, academics, lawyers, celebrities etc. Pipes could not give a single example. But he easily supplied numerous names of prominent Arab Americans allegedly 'linked' to terrorism.

Despite disclaimers, bigoted, hideous and contemptuous anti-Muslim content continues unabated: hooded corpses in Abu Ghraib displayed by jovial "thumbs up" troops, force-fed hunger strikers at Guantanamo (who Donald Rumsfeld wisecracked were "on a diet"), refugee camps flattened, Palestinians starving, taunts of "Taliban lady boys" after US troops had set fire to Afghan bodies, ubiquitous car bombings, wedding parties crushed, mosques massacred, civilians attacked with cluster bombs and daisy cutters. Depleted uranium mutating future generations, and a thousand Iraqi pilgrims stampeded to death in an hour... In the midst of which President Bush pantomimed & joked about missing WMD's to an applauding, jeering Radio & Television Correspondents Association that call themselves a press corp. Antics befitting a noncombatant President who greeted the initial bombing of Iraq with pumped fists: "I feel good!" (BBC) "See in my line of work you got to keep repeating things over and over and over again for the truth to sink in, to kind of catapult the propaganda." (George W Bush, 5/24/05)

This state-sponsored smirking has trickled down to spawn a climate of recreational cruelty in the US military. Reflecting anti-Muslim propaganda while perpetuating it, is the "Rumsfeld Contingent" of the armed forces. Deputy Undersecretary of Defense, Lt. Gen. William Jerry Boykin propagated hate at the grassroots level in dozens of speeches to church groups, saying that the war on terror was actually spiritual warfare, with the enemy 'Satan' being embodied by Islam. Speaking of God versus Allah he said: "Well, you know what I knew, that my God was bigger than his. I knew that my God was a real God, and his was an idol." Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld defended Boykin, so it was unsurprising that after Abu Ghraib crimes erupted Boykin found "no pattern of misconduct."

Dropping down the chain of command, Marine Corp Lt. Gen. James Mattis's comments were caught by AP. "Actually, it's a lot of fun to fight. You know it's a hell of a hoot. It's fun to shoot some people. I'll be right upfront with you, I like brawling." Drawing on the 'Muslim misogynist' stereotype, Mattis added that Muslim men were wife-beaters and continued: "You know, guys like that ain't got no manhood left anyway. So it's a hell of alot of fun to shoot them." Some troops on the ground echoed this "raghead" ethos as they shot Iraqis.

Or shot down their sacred symbols. In May, 2005, worldwide Muslim reaction compelled Newsweek to retract a story about US interrogators flushing the Koran down a toilet at Guantanamo Bay. Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld maintained that the revelation was not true, and demanded that Newsweek explain to the Muslim world "the care that the US military takes" to respect Islamic beliefs.

But such behavior had been documented independently elsewhere. The Denver Post: prisoners were "forced to watch copies of the Koran being flushed down toilets" (January, 2005), Financial Times: "they were beaten and had their Korans thrown into toilets" (Oct 28, 2004), NY Daily News: "They would kick the Koran, throw it into the toilet and generally disrespect it." (Aug. 5, 2004), The Independent UK: "Guards allegedly threw prisoners' Korans into toilets" (Aug 5, 2004), The Observer UK: "copies of the Koran would be trampled on by soldiers and, on one occasion, thrown into a toilet bucket." (March 14, 2004), Washington Post: "American soldiers insulted Islam by sitting on the Koran or dumping their sacred text into a toilet to taunt them" (March 26, 2003). These were but a few of similar media reports over a period of years.

Other instances of Islamic desecration were also recorded. One online fundraiser sold printed toilet paper with the words "Koran, the Holy Quran" which was then distributed to mosques and the media with a letter claiming the Koran was a "cookbook for terrorists" and incited violence. The Mercury News revealed that flyers posted on a Sacramento National Guard military base extolled World War 1 General John Pershing as a hero for executing "Muslim terrorists" with bullets dipped in pigs blood, thus excluding them from Paradise. WorldNetDaily reported on a US Army Reserve recruit's contest that used pages from the Koran to make porcine figures. His website pabaah.com showed a paper mache' pig with a US flag on its back, and included paper mache instructions and links to get free Korans.

Some troop contests were flippant in a physical way. At Camp Nama adjacent to Baghdad Airport, The New York Times reported that detainees were bruised after being used for target practice by soldiers playing in the High Five Paintball Club. Human Rights Watch later assessed that prisoners were sometimes tortured as a form of stress relief for soldiers to help while away the hours. "Some days we would just get bored so we would have everyone sit in a corner and then make them get in a pyramid. We did that for amusement." One soldier added "...it was like a game ...for sport.." This R & R earned the 82nd Airborne at FOB Mercury a prized nickname from terrified Iraqis: "Murderous Maniacs". Departing military personnel who did a 'good job' were later awarded by commanders with trophies- a detainee's black hood, and a piece of tile from the medical office that had once held Saddam Hussein. (After the 1990 Iraq War, one soldier tried to smuggle an Iraqi's limb home in his duffel bag as a trophy under the first Bush/Cheney administration.)

Michael Blake, an Iraq veteran explained that the military indoctinated troops with the idea "Islam is Evil" and "they hate us." This attitude facilitated the abuse and killing of civilians, and was not just 'a few bad apples'. (There are around 2000 unreleased torture images). "Most of the guys I was with believed it", he added. Maj. Gen. Charles Swannack, a former 82nd Airborne commander insisted that responsibility for such abuses ultimately lead "directly back to Secretary Rumsfeld," as an architect of the torture policy.

British Brigadier Alan Sharp (American Bronze Star winner for writing the "coalition campaign plan") disapproved of the gung ho, swaggering "streak of Hollywood" displayed by US troops. Acknowledging that such "heroics" made for good television back in the States, he warned that heavily armed Americans boasting "how many Iraqis have been killed by US forces today" was no 'hearts and minds' winning tool.

But the example had been set after 911 by the "gunslingin', nuke-totin'" swagger of Cowboy-in-Chief Dubya Bush. His blustering wisecrack "Osama- Wanted: Dead or Alive" mimicked posters of old Hollywood westerns. The New York Times reported that major Tinsel Town executives were working with top Bush advisor Karl Rove to revive the former propaganda partnership between the entertainment industry and the Department of Defense. "Hollywood Now Plays Cowboys and Arabs", ran one headline. (Ironically, Bush's grandfather Prescott claimed to have stolen the skull of legendary American Indian warrior Geronimo for his college secret society. It was proudly kept on display as a trophy).

In 2004, the Pentagon previewed its own "coming attractions." Marines staged a desert "gladiators' Ben Hur" drill in full historic costume- togas, trojan helmuts, and shields while swinging spiked truncheons to "psych up for a planned invasion" against Fallujah. "Friends, Romans, countryman, fend off their spears. When in Fallujah, do as the Romans do" the New York Post quipped. White phosphorus 'burning at the stake' was strictly offscreen. As Lt. Col. Gary Brandl said in the film Fallujah: "The enemy has got a face. He's called Satan. He's in Fallujah. And we're going to destroy him."

Internet audiences could catch candids of Iraqi dead "just for fun". At undermars.com, troops posted photos of bloody faces ground to a pulp. Others showed a birthday candle stuffed into a smashed skull, and various decapitated heads. Evoking Bush's cowboy spirit, one caption read: "i'm an indian outlaw... look my first scalp."

NowThatsFuckedUp.com accepted photos of Iraqi war crimes and atrocities as currency to buy pornography when credit card companies refused to ok payment in dollars.

After a brief outcry from Iraqi expatriates, the site was closed and diverted to an address called barbecuestoppers.com. There troops laughed and gloated over 'baked', charred and hideously disfigured Iraqi cadavers, with captions like "Die, Haji die." One picture showed a 'barbecued' corpse steeped in its own blood and entrails labeled "what every Iraqi should look like." The US Department of Defense is aware of the site, but it is still accessible to voyeurs despite being in violation of Geneva Conventions.

Unfortunately, this avalanche of damaging associations have increased Americans' prejudice against Islam. A March 2006 ABC News poll found 46 percent view Islam negatively, up from 39 percent in the months after September 11, 2001. Americans who believe that Islam promotes violence has risen from 14 percent in 2002 to 33 percent today. Former US president Bill Clinton warned: "So now what are we going to do? Replace anti-Semitic prejudice with anti-Islamic prejudice?"

It seems so. In 2005, for the first time since the atomic devastation of Japan, an Associated Press poll found that half of all Americans would approve the use of atomic bombs, especially against terrorist targets. A mushroom cloud of anti-Muslim hate, with a sickly "humorous" spin, has been winning American 'hearts and minds' into acceptance of the Bush administration's nuclear attack against the "axis of evil" terror sponsor- Islamic Republic of Iran.

Trish Schuh was a co-founder of Military Families Support Network and is a member of Military Reporters & Editors covering the middle east.

Tethys · #**208** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

Sheriff, I’m sure you know, but just confirming, “Arrh ha blah blah blah” is not an Australian idiom.

Tethys

Sheriff · #**209** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by The Infidel

Blah blah possible terror attacks by some Muslim groups, hell yes

Well, Tethys, it is sad when one have to express himself that way. Where's Tasmanian Devil?

Tethys · #**210** (**permalink**) 11-18-2007

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Originally Posted by Sheriff

Well, Tethys, it is sad when one have to express himself that way. Where's Tasmanian Devil?

Hmm, yes, Sheriff, I see the character resemblance, though I reckon the little devil is much more gracious.

Here, you can read about the little devil and hear its call in the wild…
DPIW - Tasmanian Devil

Tethys

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