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Danny · #**241** (**permalink**) 11-19-2007

Obama now ahead in Iowa poll 30 to Hilary's 26 percent.

partofme · #**242** (**permalink**) 11-19-2007

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Obama now ahead in Iowa poll 30 to Hilary's 26 percent.

Winning Iowa would give him a bump going into the states after that but it still would take one hell of one to lead to victory. It's a long shot to say the least.

Sheriff · #**243** (**permalink**) 11-19-2007

partofme wrote:

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Obama now ahead in Iowa poll 30 to Hilary's 26 percent.
Winning Iowa would give him a bump going into the states after that but it still would take one hell of one to lead to victory. It's a long shot to say the least.

This means something especially if you take how close we are getting to the Iowa primaries. This is a great news for us Obama supporters. It is our will, energy, dedication, sacrifice and love of our country, all of which other campaigners lack, that made this little miracle happen. And there is more progress and success ahead as long as we keep united and devoted and as long as we emerge from the raids of slander and lie with more energy and devotion. God bless Obama. God bless our country.

ABC News: Poll Shows Obama Creeping Up on Clinton

Obama also showed that he's the candidate who is resonating the most with women voters. 32% of women polled are supporting Obama, compared with 31% for Clinton and 19% for Edwards.

And by a 2 to 1 margin, Iowans find Obama more "honest and trustworthy" than Clinton.

Also of note: Obama doubled Clinton's support among Independent voters (Obama 35% to Clinton 18%)-- another indicator that he will be the strongest candidate going into the general election.

That's a great news for us American patriots, especially when we learn more the quagmire the extremist, right-wing, Judeo-Christian gang want to drag our country into.

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# [Gentiles] prefer sex with cows. (Abodah Zarah 22a-22b.)21
# God will not spare a Jew who 'marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean [Gentile]... (Sanhedrin 76a.)16
# If a heathen [Gentile] hits a Jew, the Gentile must be killed. Hitting a Jew is hitting God. (Sanhedrin 58b.)13
# [Gentiles] are outside the protection of the law and God has 'exposed their money to Israel.' (Baba Kamma 37b.)18
# For murder, whether of a Cuthean [Gentile] by a Cuthean, or of an Israelite by a Cuthean, punishment is incurred; but of a Cuthean by an Israelite, there is no death penalty. (Sanhedrin 57a)10
Or, are American women ready for:

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# God will not spare a Jew who 'marries his daughter to an old man or takes a wife for his infant son or returns a lost article to a Cuthean [Gentile]... (Sanhedrin 76a.)16
#Menahoth 43b-44a. A Jewish man is obligated to say the following prayer every day: "Thank you God for not making me a gentile, a woman or a slave."
#Gittin 70a. On coming from a privy (outdoor toilet) a man should not have sexual intercourse till he has waited long enough to walk half a mile, because the demon of the privy is with him for that time; if he does, his children will be epileptic.
#Yebamoth 59b. A woman who had intercourse with a beast is eligible to marry a Jewish priest. A woman who has sex with a demon is also eligible to marry a Jewish priest.
#Abodah Zarah 36b. Gentile girls are in a state of niddah (filth) from birth.
#Abodah Zarah 22a-22b . Gentiles prefer sex with cows.
Are we ready to believe in them? To love them? To let our Governments give us taxpayers' money to Israel to give them a free hand to kill more children amd women? How could you explain a barbarianism like this:

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Rabbi Meir Kahane, told CBS News that his teaching that Arabs are "dogs" is derived "from the Talmud." (CBS 60 Minutes, "Kahane").

University of Jerusalem Prof. Ehud Sprinzak described Kahane and Goldstein's philosophy: "They believe it's God's will that they commit violence against goyim," a Hebrew term for non-Jews. (NY Daily News, Feb. 26, 1994, p. 5).

Rabbi Yitzhak Ginsburg declared, "We have to recognize that Jewish blood and the blood of a goy are not the same thing." (NY Times, June 6, 1989, p.5).

Rabbi Yaacov Perrin said, "One million Arabs are not worth a Jewish fingernail." (NY Daily News, Feb. 28, 1994, p.6).

Sheriff · #**244** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

Are there still nice people amongst us who think Obama is inexperienced? What if I prove you he is at least as experienced as not-any-longer-a-front-runner-Hillary-Clinton and others are just as I have made the skeptics see the dark sides of a polished, extremist, farthest-right wing, fundamentalist, racist and hateful ideology? Below is the link to one of the few scientific comparisons made between '08 candidates:

Diatribes of Jay: Barack Obama's "Inexperience"

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BarackObama.com | Sam Graham-Felsen's Blog: Obama: Leading Clinton, Beating Republicans Soundly
When Ronald Reagan was elected president, his political experience consisted of 8 years in state government, as governor of California. He had no national political experience or foreign policy experience.

When Jimmy Carter was elected president, his political experience, consisted of 8 years in the state legislature and 4 years as governor, for a total of 12. None of it involved national or foreign policy experience.

When W was elected president, his political experience consisted of 8 years as state governor. None of it involved national or foreign policy experience.

When Bill Clinton was elected president, his political experience consisted of 12 years, 2 as state attorney general and 10 as governor. None of it involved national or foreign policy experience.

When Barack is sworn in, he will have 12 years of experience in government, including 8 years in state government and 4 years in national government, during which he has served on the foreign relations committee. He has as many years or more years in public life than 4 of the last 5 presidents and more national and foreign policy experience than any of those 4 presidents, who had exactly none.

In the past 40 years, 4 presidents had more political experience than Barack:

Richard Nixon, who resigned in humiliation to avoid impeachment.

Lyndon Johnson, who essentially was forced out of office by his own party because of the Vietnam war.

George Ford, who served less than one full term and was defeated for reelection.

George H W Bush, who served one term and was defeated for reelection.

REIN OF THE CROWS HAS OFFICIALLY ENDED!!!

Jihad4Beer · #**245** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

I am a white man for Obama. lol......

I am not being sarcastic when I say that he certainly is the most articulate one. I hate that politician's intoning that Hillary and Edwards do. And he seems much more sincere.

Jason Marcel · #**246** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

I just don't see how Obama will change things much. He has no real experience. No more experience than Bush had and look where that got us? Obama is a really nice man, but I feel like it'll take him too long to adjust to be effective. Just don't think he's got the gravitas to do much. I know a lot of people in America get fooled by fresh faces, but it's really time to go with someone whose been around the block and really understands the world.

Sheriff · #**247** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

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I know a lot of people in America get fooled by fresh faces, but it's really time to go with someone whose been around the block and really understands the world.

The real issue is not being experienced or not. The real issue is to be sincere and straightforward, two qualities that Obama fits perfectly. America has been reduced to a third-world country in the people's eyes by one of the most "experienced" team ever controlled the government and look at the results. And Obama is not as inexperienced as you think he is. Take a look at that:

Diatribes of Jay: Barack Obama's "Inexperience"

Sheriff · #**248** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

I have found this joke below somewhere I cannot remember now. It shows politics is not always sullen.

"Wolf Blitzen and Bill Cupid Clinton were debating. Wolf said, I love me more than you love you. Bill said I love myself more than you love yourself. Hillary Vixen Clinton was given ten seconds to respond and said, Mirror Mirror On the Wall Who’s the Fairest of Them All…"

notaveragejoe · #**249** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

Obama has a strength that is of paramount importance to a presidential candidate and that is the ability to inspire groups of people. Obama is well behind in the national polls and that is because his strength is not communicating a mession to a vast expanse of people... that's why his debates are not as strong. What he does have is the strength in a small setting; in a rally, at a fundraiser, at town-hall meetings. After these small meetings, the vast majority come out as Obama supporters. It's why the latest poll has him leading in Iowa. He has been able to impact some voters there and he hasn't done it through star debate performances or outlandish ads. It's about meeting with the people and Obama is spectacular at that.

If Obama wins Iowa and continues to impress one voter at a time, he has the ability to take New Hampshire and carry that momentum through the rest of the race. Hillary doesn't have it yet.

notaveragejoe · #**250** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

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Originally Posted by Jason Marcel

I just don't see how Obama will change things much. He has no real experience. No more experience than Bush had and look where that got us? Obama is a really nice man, but I feel like it'll take him too long to adjust to be effective. Just don't think he's got the gravitas to do much. I know a lot of people in America get fooled by fresh faces, but it's really time to go with someone whose been around the block and really understands the world.

My Grandpa told me once that experience is the first year you did a job, simply multiplied by the number of years you've been doing the job. In other words, experience doesn't matter if you only tout the same characteristics you had at the beginning.

Obama has growth. Hillary hasn't demonstrated the same amount of growth. Her Iraq vote was a grave mistake, she has admitted she didn't even read the National Intelligence Reports. Then she decided it wasn't such a good thing and is pushing for troop withdrawl. Her ability to get the troops out is one of her platform planks. This would all have been fine had she learned from it.

And yet, she voted for the Iranian resolution. A bill that Bush can and might use to declare war on Iran.

Obama has less "experience" and yet he was against both of these concepts. He learned. He grew.

The Greek · #**251** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

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Jason Marcel wrote:

The real issue is not being experienced or not. The real issue is to be sincere and straightforward, two qualities that Obama fits perfectly. America has been reduced to a third-world country in the people's eyes by one of the most "experienced" team ever controlled the government and look at the results. And Obama is not as inexperienced as you think he is. Take a look at that:

Diatribes of Jay: Barack Obama's "Inexperience"

Sheriff, I have read the experience comparison. Sitting in a committee in Congress is not the same as having singular leadership over a level of government or a corporation. Obama may have good ideas but does not have experience being the single person responsible for driving ideas into reality. The Democratic party would better serve the US by providing candidates with proven leadership experience, especially with proven success in crisis management. The Presidency is not just a job about philosophy but a job requiring successful leadership. Putting inexperienced people in this role (as well meaning as they may be) has a high risk of setting them up for failure, espcially witrh the Presidential challenges ahead.

BTW, I also have the same opinion regarding Hillary.

Cyberella · #**252** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

notaveragejoe · #**253** (**permalink**) 11-20-2007

Could you please explain how any of these statements prove or disprove Barack Hussein Obama's ability to be the President of the United States?

For once, we have a chance to move forward as a society. We have a chance to move toward the future of tomorrow, and quit standing here in the static of today. Moving beyond these generalized stereotypes are at the forefront of Barack's campaign and that is why I am so glad he is running.